Parents at Larkswood Primary School in Chingford, demonstrate against the imposition of a Halal only school menu (Picture Chingford Guardian)
A primary school in Chingford, East London has arrogantly imposed a halal only menu on its pupils despite only approximately 10% of the school population being Muslim.
Parents who object to this policy have demonstrated against the imposition of Islamically controlled food being given to non Muslim children.
The outraged non-Muslim parents feel, probably quite correctly, that Islamic beliefs are being forcibly imposed on their children.
This case has the lot, from the arrogant, Islam appeasing, politically correct, head teacher, Lynne Harrowell, the parents frightened to complain about the halal-only policy for fear of being called ‘racist’ to the ‘consultation’ about which the head teacher apparantly knows no details of. It also has the usual misrepresentation of the new dining policy by the school because some parents took information supplied by the school to mean that there would be a halal option for those who require it. Oh and you also have the headteachers use of the weasel word ‘inclusion’, which too often means submission to Islamic bullying and an obsession with identity politics.
The local newspaper, The Chingford Guardian, said:
“Parents have reacted with outrage over plans to start serving only Halal meat to school pupils.
Management at Larkswood Primary in New Road, Chingford, will stop providing meat slaughtered using ‘standard’ methods and replace it with food which is prepared according to the rituals of Islam from mid-April.
Parents told the Guardian they had no objection to Muslim children practising their faith and eating Halal meat at the school.
But said they did not want such religious beliefs imposed on their own offspring.
They also claim not to have been given an explanation for the sudden change and say less than 10 per cent of children at Larkswood are Muslim.
Headteacher Lynne Harrowell said most schools in London served Halal meat and that parents were consulted but the majority did not express a preference.
She was unable to provide details how many voted for or against the plans. “
Notice the arrogance of the head teacher in stating that most schools in London serve Halal meat, and note also her priorities. Her priorities seem to be pandering to the followers of the ideology of Islam and not with those who have genuine well founded objections to such pandering. It would be interesting to find out just what proportion were for or against the impositon of Halal during the ‘consultation’, and it seems strange that a member of a school senior management team would not be aware of such figures.
One of the parents felt that the ideology of Islam was being imposed on the schools non-Muslim children and said:
“Tina Hill, 48, who has an eight-year-old son at the school, said: “Why should their views be forced on us? I think it’s disgusting.
“As parents we should be given a choice what our children eat.
“I do not want my child eating food which has been slaughtered in this way and blessed.
“I am so angry about it I would consider taking my son out of Larkswood.”
She said the consultation letter was unclear and many parents had assumed Halal was being added as an option and not as the only type of meat that would be served. “
None of the parents quoted in the article had any objection to a halal or vegetarian option for Muslim children only to the fact that the practices of a minority were being imposed on the majority which is an injustice.
Also some parents were fearful of being smeared as ‘racists’ by Muslims and Leftists. Several parents were said by the Chingford Guardian, to have spoken to the paper anonymously because they: “were too afraid to speak out for fear of being branded racist.’
The paper added:
“A 32-year-old mum-of-three said: “I don’t understand why they can’t have Halal meat as an option, I think everyone would be happy with that.
“We haven’t been told why they want to do this, but some parents suspect it is because Halal meat is cheaper and will save the school money.
“I am very angry about it and I will stop my child having hot school dinners if they do go ahead with this. I’ll give him a packed lunch instead.”
It shouldn’t be the case that the majority Christian or secular children should be taking a packed lunch to school in order to avoid halal meat. Things are the wrong way round, it should be the Muslim children going to school with a halal packed lunch, if the Muslim parents are so keen on the halal dietary rules. Other minority religions with restricted dietary rules whether that be vegetarian or kosher or even an abundance of pasta, take responsibility for their own stomachs and what goes in them. It is not the job of the state or schools to cater for the requirements of the Muslim stomach.
The senior management team of Larkswood school have become a serious contender for this blogs ‘Neville Chamberlain of the Month’ award for March.
Links
Original story from the Chingford Guardian
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10308743.Row_over_Halal_meat_at_school/
Note: There was unusually for a local paper quite a lively debate on the Chingford Guardian’s message board which did allow opponents of Islam to have a voice. As so many of these local paper debates on Islam seem to disappear, possibly under pressure from Islamic groups in the papers local area, this blog is reproducing whole comment thread from the Chingford Guardian in the comments attached to this post.
Story about a newspaper that censored debate on a proposed mosque in Herefordshire
https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2012/09/07/hereford-mosque-plan-censorship-or-not-part-ii-you-decide/
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Here you will find ALL the comments from the local newspaper, the Chingford Guardian on the subject of halal food being imposed on Larkswood Primary. This is being re posted here just in case it ‘disappears’ from the Chingford Guardian site after ‘complaints’ by some lefty causing trouble.
ruby newbie says…
4:12pm Fri 22 Mar 13
what about kosher?……….dis
crimination id say……..
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Trevor 2 says…
4:35pm Fri 22 Mar 13
Simple answer. Go vegetarian!!
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Cornbeefur says…
5:01pm Fri 22 Mar 13
It is wrong to force people to eat animal products from animals that have been slaughtered inhumanely without stunning.
If anyone say that programme Kill It Cooks It Eats it all the programme showed what went on in slaughter houses and whilst I generally try the Vegetarian Diet, If I di eat meat more, would prefer to eat foof from animals killed by the methods shown in that programme than the brutal slaughter by Muslims of animals who slit their throats from ear to ear whilst chanting prayers which must frighten the animals.
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ruby newbie says…
5:07pm Fri 22 Mar 13
strange you should call your self “cornbeefer then”…..or is that because you are full of “c**p”….
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ruby newbie says…
5:08pm Fri 22 Mar 13
although i do agree with you on this one
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Alan_1976 says…
5:45pm Fri 22 Mar 13
This does seem quite ridiculous
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mdj says…
6:53pm Fri 22 Mar 13
No bacon, then? No sausages? Can someone explain what makes halal meat cheaper, if it comes from the same farms?
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Alan_1976 says…
7:38pm Fri 22 Mar 13
mdj wrote:
No bacon, then? No sausages? Can someone explain what makes halal meat cheaper, if it comes from the same farms?
I was doing some research around this and apparently 90% of Halal meat is prepared where the animal is stunned first.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/theguardian/20
10/sep/20/halal-meat
-the-truth
So no cost savings there. I think the most likely explanation for it being cheaper has nothing to do with the killing method and more to do with the fact that the production methods they are using are cheaper which can’t be a good thing for the quality of the food.
I would be more concerned as you say about why the meat is cheap irrespective of the killing method.
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myopinioncounts says…
8:56am Sat 23 Mar 13
At least this school has declared that it is introducing halal meat. At least one other school did so secretly so that only certain members of staff and muslim parents were told. Outrageous that the Head was so arrogant as to say that it was not necessary to inform all parents.
The school cook said that the meat was more expensive to buy not cheaper.
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myopinioncounts says…
9:03am Sat 23 Mar 13
Furthermore, the reason for having only halal meat is to simplify the serving of food to children – the ‘dinner ladies’ won’t have to know which children are muslim and there is no risk of mixing up the food or cross contamination in the kitchen. Many muslims would not be happy for halal food to be prepared in the same kitchen as non halal and pressure is wrongly put on Head teachers to appease.
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Alan_1976 says…
9:15am Sat 23 Mar 13
myopinioncounts wrote:
Furthermore, the reason for having only halal meat is to simplify the serving of food to children – the ‘dinner ladies’ won’t have to know which children are muslim and there is no risk of mixing up the food or cross contamination in the kitchen. Many muslims would not be happy for halal food to be prepared in the same kitchen as non halal and pressure is wrongly put on Head teachers to appease.
By recent news stories I would suggest cross contamination may well have happened long before it reaches the kitchens…
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solcomm says…
9:40am Sat 23 Mar 13
I thought initially this must be an April fools thing but no we are still in March. This is so outrageously wrong, to encourage stepping back in time to kill creatures by knife is bonkers. Islam like all religions are man made way of observing rules of life. We are a secular society, if you want to practice that style of life then go to live in Saudi Arabia, but your female watch out!
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ClifftonX says…
10:23am Sat 23 Mar 13
just another milestone along the road to the full Islamisation of the UK. The next thing will be to force the female children to cover their heads and the female staff to wear full burkhas. Think this is far fetched – well who would have thought 20 years ago that the only meat served in schools in LBWF would cater to muslims?
And by the way, the difference with Halal meat is not that a little “prayer is said”, but that the animal has its thraot cut, and is bled, while it is still conscious. It is bled by raising it upside down with chains round its rear legs. Think of that with a cow. Lovely.
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Snoogans says…
12:07pm Sat 23 Mar 13
“just another milestone along the road to the full Islamisation of the UK. The next thing will be to force the female children to cover their heads and the female staff to wear full burkhas. ”
You’re deluded and this doesn’t help the discussion.
10% seems a small minority for everyone to have to cater for. Maybe 80% doesn’t care and its only the remaining 10% that do.
KFC and Nandos seem to be doing alright so people can’t be that bothered how their meat is killed.
I find these issues often get out of control as people use them to mask their bigotry but that being said, 10%? They can take a pack lunch.
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J.Lee says…
12:48pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Providing 2 types of food raises a whole host of logistical problems at the school.
In order to stop cross-contamination the two types of food will have to be prepared using separate pans and untensils. More work for the kitchen staff.
Those who want Helal food will need to be distinguished from those that don’t. So how will this be done? Will the school issue badges to wear ?(reminds me a bit of the yellow stars that Jews were forced to wear in Germany, by the Nazis). I can hear people shouting “discrimination” already.already.
However, the non-Muslim children should not be forced to eat Helal meat.
I am a vegetarian and have been marginalised for years so I am used to it, but it seems that some minority groups get very touchy if their beliefs are called into question.
I wish the school joy in sorting this one out !
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Techno3 says…
1:22pm Sat 23 Mar 13
J.Lee wrote:
Providing 2 types of food raises a whole host of logistical problems at the school.
In order to stop cross-contamination the two types of food will have to be prepared using separate pans and untensils. More work for the kitchen staff.
Those who want Helal food will need to be distinguished from those that don’t. So how will this be done? Will the school issue badges to wear ?(reminds me a bit of the yellow stars that Jews were forced to wear in Germany, by the Nazis). I can hear people shouting "discrimination
” already.already.
However, the non-Muslim children should not be forced to eat Helal meat.
I am a vegetarian and have been marginalised for years so I am used to it, but it seems that some minority groups get very touchy if their beliefs are called into question.
I wish the school joy in sorting this one out !
All that is required is a sign next to the dish which is saying it is halal and another sign next to the dish which is not to say it is non halal, and for the person serving to actually speak to the person they are serving and find out what they want to eat. The muslims will onw whether they are muslim are not.
The servers should have a seperate spoon/spatula for each dish they are doling out in any event. Basic food hygene would require that.
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SpursSupporter1 says…
4:36pm Sat 23 Mar 13
If i was too say exactly what i think about this subject id be branded a racist but for goodness sake what the **** heck is going on in England????? I didnt think i moved from Ireland too London 24 years ago too a Muslim run state come on Government and Council sort your priorites out it is England we are living in after all, my children are in secondary schools and if this was too happen in their schools then i would have no hesitation in removing them from the said school in question
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Alan_1976 says…
4:43pm Sat 23 Mar 13
SpursSupporter1 wrote:
If i was too say exactly what i think about this subject id be branded a racist but for goodness sake what the **** heck is going on in England????? I didnt think i moved from Ireland too London 24 years ago too a Muslim run state come on Government and Council sort your priorites out it is England we are living in after all, my children are in secondary schools and if this was too happen in their schools then i would have no hesitation in removing them from the said school in question
I don’t think anyone could justifiably call anyone racist for objecting to the way their children’s food is prepared.
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Walthamster says…
5:12pm Sat 23 Mar 13
I am disturbed that the head says “It is in line with the majority of other schools in London and in Waltham Forest. …Many people are very aware that most of us eat Halal meat.”
I certainly didn’t know this and am shocked if this is true. Can Daniel Binns get a statement from the education department, please?
As for the meat being cheaper, have people learned nothing from the recent food-contamination scandal? If the price of meat is too good to be true, you have to ask what’s in it!
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Ever Watchful says…
6:25pm Sat 23 Mar 13
I’m not clear why head teachers of most London schools want to offer Halal-only meat dishes, and are not keen to support inclusiveness by integrating the food preferences of other cultures and beliefs.
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Nairn says…
7:18pm Sat 23 Mar 13
I seem to remember something a few years ago about LBWF saying that meat in school meals would be Halal and I have to say, I thought this has been the situation for 3? 4? years?
Or was it in regards to where the LBWF school meals service provides meals to schools without full kitchens – ie. those that only re-heat the meals rather than cook from scratch??
Can anyone remember?
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jamjay1972 says…
8:09pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Is Xmas still uncertain? I’ve read about a so-called master race that sought to ban Xmas. It is certainly high time we sought to redefine the word ‘fascist’ in modern England.
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SpursSupporter1 says…
9:13pm Sat 23 Mar 13
I just dont know what too think any more to be honest
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Tom Billesley says…
9:21pm Sat 23 Mar 13
The slaughter of animals by Jewish and Muslim religiously dictated methods is allowed in Britain by an exemption to the Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995
Schedule 12 of these regulations states
“In this Schedule references to slaughter by a religious method are references to slaughter without the infliction of unnecessary suffering—
(a) by the Jewish method for the food of Jews by a Jew who holds a licence in accordance with Schedule 1…..
(b) by the Muslim method for the food of Muslims by a Muslim who holds a licence in accordance with Schedule 1……”
Thus the exemption is only provided to cater for the religious minorities, and slaughter of animals to knowingly provide kosher meat to non-Jews and halal meat to non-Muslims is to my mind a breach of the regulations and therefore illegal slaughter.
The UK government no longer keeps statistics on religious slaughter, How convenient for them – no published evidence to compare the proportion of animals slaughtered by religious methods and the proportion of those religions in the population.
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legseleven says…
10:49pm Sat 23 Mar 13
All of this faith stuff is one sided. If you raise reasonable questions about the you are seen to be anti-whatever, and as an unbeliever (or khaffir) my views are automatically dismissed. The practices of a non halal slaughterhouse are quite shocking, but the desert tribal ritual way of the Shochet/whatever the muslim equivelent is barbaric. has anyone had the misfortune to see the videos of the people killed by insurgents, it is practically the same procedure. I believe they do it this way for their deity.
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ColinOrient says…
11:36pm Sat 23 Mar 13
It seems the school menus are now the latest thing to add to this country’s defaced situation. How can it be right that parents are over-ridden by these power-hungry idiots who forcing children to eat halal food, if they want a school meal? When will the line be drawn – the next thing could be people from other parts of the globe demanding cat or dog are put on the menu, just like ‘back home’. Sadly, any objectors are naturally now slammed down as bigots or racists, to the point where the power-crazed fools in local or national government can then never be wrong.
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Redbridge person says…
12:41am Sun 24 Mar 13
Aaaah….it is known as: Diversity, Multi culti and Inclusive….of course the needs and wants of a minority will be pushed by white middle class trendy lefties….they will have us all in burqas if they could….not fantasy…a real threat.
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Kestral1410 says…
1:36am Sun 24 Mar 13
Sorry but this really has got to stop! This is the UK and I do not ever want to eat halal or wear a burka. I went to Larkswood and cannot believe the situation redbridge is getting into! Stick to british ways and if anyone doesn’t like it let them take a packed lunch, simples!
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Overlandandsea says…
9:52am Sun 24 Mar 13
What is happening in our country is a disgrace and illegal. In 2009, the World Halal Forum chose the UK as it’s ‘pilot project’ to roll out halal to the mainstream consumer.
Then in 2010 WHF said that it will “Take Halal Mainstream in UK and then Europe”
No one from the UK was at this meeting and was not known or agreed by the British people! When MPs found they were being served halal in the House of Commons they kicked up a fuss and it was stopped! What about the rest of us??? THIS IS BEING IMPOSED ON US & WE DO NOT LIKE OR WANT MUSLIM MEAT OR HALAL PRODUCTS & SERVICES!
Non muslim children should definitely NOT be forcefed halal. It is outrageous.
In the UK the Licence of Exemption was already in place and should have protected us from the massive over-production of halal meat that we now have in the UK. It is clear. Nobody in power cares about us or our children!!
The Licence from exemption from full stunning under UK law states quite clearly that it is an offence to slaughter by a religious method if it is known that the meat is not intended for the consumption of those religions who ‘require’ it. It clearly states this exemption to allow unstunned meat is for the Jews to produce kosher meat for Jews & for Muslim slaughtermen to perform their ritual slaughter to provide halal meat for muslims –
Nowhere does it state that this exemption can be used for mainstream supply of ‘RS’ Religiously Slaughtered unstunned meat… so WHY do ASDA, Sainsbury & other supermarket chains, now have Halal Counters? Write to ASDA and they will proudly tell you that they are selling UNSTUNNED HALAL MEAT on their Halal World Counters throughout Britain. Surely this is breaking the law?
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Overlandandsea says…
10:26am Sun 24 Mar 13
Muslims have found a loophole which is allowing them to call Electro-immobilisati
on – ‘Stun-to-Immobilis
e’ – – and from this people assume they mean Electrical Stunning which IT IS NOT!
Stun-to-Immobilise is performed by using Ultra Low Stunning for halal ritual slaughter i.e. the ‘Dimmer Switch’ is turned to the lowest setting!
Electro-immobilisati
on means the animal is stunned JUST ENOUGH TO IMMOBILIZE. It is still fully conscious, just unable to move or vocalise its pain. I am vegetarian because I was disgusted how animals suffer in factory farming but this is worse and totally unnecessary or wanted in 21st century GREAT BRITAIN and EUROPE. We should be moving forward with stopping animals from suffering not going back to 7th century Islam practice.
Do not be frightened that people will be brand you racist. Islam IS NOT A RACE. It is political, totalitarian. The Only Way is Islam!! Stand up for your children. Get a petition going at Larkswood and Chingford, and spread the word what is happening in the UK and Europe because so many are not aware. Stand up before it is too late. All the big companies are being blackmailed into paying huge sums for halal certification. There are less and less products that are not halal certified for us to buy and it is funding God knows what; how do we know where the money is ending up? ASK YOURSELVES WHY IS THIS HAPPENING IN THE UK AND EUROPE AND WHERE WILL IT END? Mosques and supermosques are all over the UK there will never be enough until Islam is dominant in non muslim countries. Too many people just shut their eyes to what is happening or don’t know. Now it involves your children being forcefed halal like so many schools across the country, it is time for CHINGFORD TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. If my child was at the school I would be kicking up a fuss like these parents. I applaud them.
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Walthamster says…
11:51am Sun 24 Mar 13
Overlandandsea, thanks for the information about “stun to immobilise”. This makes sense, as a way of getting around our animal-welfare laws.
I’d often wondered how these animals could be unconscious before slaughter, as some halal supporters have claimed, when the religion requires the animal to be conscious.
We understand “stunned” to mean unconscious, when in this case it just means unable to move. Convenient for the killers, but even more horrific for the animal. It seems “humane halal slaughter” cannot exist.
Scotland For Animals seems to be one of the few animal welfare groups fighting this.
http://blog.scotland
foranimals.org/#cate
gory7
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Walthamster says…
12:09pm Sun 24 Mar 13
In 2011 the EU Council of Ministers “rejected calls for legislation on … labelling of non-stunned, ritually slaughtered meat.”
Lots more information at
http://blog.scotland
foranimals.org/#cate
gory7
There’s more at
http://www.secularne
wsdaily.com/2012/05/
barbaric-halal-and-k
osher-butchering-now
-commonplace-in-brit
ain/
A halal website campaigning against the stunning of animals before slaughter makes it clear that the animals are not unconscious: http://www.unstunned
halal.com/stunning.h
tml
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Walthamster says…
12:25pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Tom Billesley wrote:
The slaughter of animals by Jewish and Muslim religiously dictated methods is allowed in Britain by an exemption to the Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995
Schedule 12 of these regulations states
"In this Schedule references to slaughter by a religious method are references to slaughter without the infliction of unnecessary suffering—
(a) by the Jewish method for the food of Jews by a Jew who holds a licence in accordance with Schedule 1…..
(b) by the Muslim method for the food of Muslims by a Muslim who holds a licence in accordance with Schedule 1……”
Thus the exemption is only provided to cater for the religious minorities, and slaughter of animals to knowingly provide kosher meat to non-Jews and halal meat to non-Muslims is to my mind a breach of the regulations and therefore illegal slaughter.
The UK government no longer keeps statistics on religious slaughter, How convenient for them – no published evidence to compare the proportion of animals slaughtered by religious methods and the proportion of those religions in the population.
I think you’re right, Tom, it looks as if halal meat is being illegally sold and used.
Here’s the Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995:
http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/1995/
731/schedule/12/made
It says meat can be slaughtered “by the Muslim method FOR THE FOOD OF MUSLIMS by a Muslim who holds a licence in accordance with Schedule 1.” (The same goes for kosher food, substitute Jew for Muslim.)
So halal meat can only legally be slaughtered for Muslims. Are schools buying and supermarkets selling it illegally?
Or are they bringing it in from abroad to undermine Uk animal-welfare laws?
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Ever Watchful says…
12:31pm Sun 24 Mar 13
It would be interesting to know what the governors of the school feel about this.
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Walthamster says…
1:18pm Sun 24 Mar 13
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
food-and-drink/news/
new-eu-rules-require
-compulsory-labellin
g-of-halal-meat-2006
114.html
Apparently labelling will soon be legally required under EU law.
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Overlandandsea says…
1:55pm Sun 24 Mar 13
We need to write to the Guardian Letters page and put all these concerns and information. Also write to Larkswood school and if nothing else comes of it at least the Head will get information on the whole subject and also the parents will be getting some support. This cannot be swept under the carpet. Written to MPs regarding this in the past, nobody seems to want to stand up for non muslims.
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Overlandandsea says…
2:03pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Boycott Halal Facebook group, has done a tremendous amount of research into this.
Islam is introducing shariah into our society via halal products & services… this is a Stealth Jihad in the West. Halal food, food prepared according to Islamic shariah law, is becoming an increasing part of the Western diet and has become a multi-billion dollar global industry involving Farming, Food Processing, Catering, Pharmaceuticals, Trade & Finance.
Cast-offs from the halal meat industry that do not meet the standard for Certification requirements are discarded unlabelled into the mainstream food chain. Halal products are increasingly aimed at Non-Muslim markets.
Well-known brands and chains have been targeted and challenged to alter their traditional recipes in order to comply with halal standards. Undercover investigations have found that the halal industry is increasingly controlled by organizations belonging to the Muslim brotherhood.
When consumers buy Halal food, part of the price paid goes as a fee to Halal Islamic experts who devoutly pay Zakat Tax on their income – one-eighth of which funds Islamic Freedom Fighters… in other words Islamic Terrorist groups, such as the Mujahideen.
Wealthy muslims, including the Muslim Brotherhood, have been financing the fast paced Halal Industry from the start and want payback… this it is clearly becoming more apparent now as we are beginning to witness the inevitable convergence of the Halal and Islamic Finance sectors… This notable paradigm shift was announced on 10th April 2011 at the 6th World Halal Forum, where the theme was entitled ‘The Power of Values in Global Markets’.
We need to wake people up… we must not be silent – JOIN US!
EDUCATE – LOBBY – PROTEST & ……. BOYCOTT HALAL!
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Walthamster says…
2:17pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Walthamster wrote:
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
food-and-drink/news/
new-eu-rules-require
-compulsory-labellin
g-of-halal-meat-2006
114.html
Apparently labelling will soon be legally required under EU law.
Spoke too soon there: that EU plan was dropped in 2011, partly because the current UK government didn’t support it.
Our government held a consultation on compulsory labelling of ritually slaughtered last year,
http://www.secularis
m.org.uk/uploads/nss
-response-to-defra-c
onsultation-october-
2012.pdf
The National Secular Society is pushing for action:
http://www.secularis
m.org.uk/news/2013/0
3/nss-calls-on-envir
onment-minister-to-c
onsider-labelling-of
-meat-from-religious
-slaughter
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mdj says…
3:34pm Sun 24 Mar 13
If schools are only buying meat from halal or kosher suppliers, what is the legality of their position under competition legislation? If a butcher has to recruit Jewish or Muslim slaughtermen to stay in business,how does this comply with anti-discrimination employment laws?
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fj2013 says…
3:55pm Sun 24 Mar 13
I wonder at times where our British society is going? We have open arms for those who wish to reside with us; we seek to protect them and give them freedom to be who they are. But why are we so afraid of saying this is the way we do things here … your ways will be accommodated, but as a minority.
Halal meat is just one of many groups, what about kosher laws, what about the Christian supporting animal welfare? Each group has to learn to live within the wider society, making allowances for others. If they don’t then society as we know it will collapse.
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Overlandandsea says…
4:32pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Jewish people are not FORCING their ways or food on us! They aren’t building a synagogue on every corner either! Hindus are not allowed to eat halal nobody seems to stand up for them either! Why is it the non muslim rights are being trampled over in appeasement to muslims??
And why should we be secretly sold the discarded halal meat that is not up to certification standard so the muslims won’t have it….like we are second class citizens? The animal has already been barbarically killed we don’t want it. PLEASE support these parents, write or email The Guardian and Larkswood School Head.
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Overlandandsea says…
4:37pm Sun 24 Mar 13
*Please read above should be
Sikhs not Hindus- for whom ‘halal’ meat is sinful.
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Overlandandsea says…
4:58pm Sun 24 Mar 13
http://www.larkswood
primary.co.uk/find-u
s/
email- school@larkswoodprim
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tmann says…
5:28pm Sun 24 Mar 13
I remember being told all the meat served at a school I worked at was halal, I struggled to reconcile that with the bacon rolls served up for breakfast and the ham salad wraps available at lunch.
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westside_o says…
5:52pm Sun 24 Mar 13
There you go.
Religion at the heart of a debate again.
We’re all the same.
Religion, or how its pumped into us shapes us and can change how we feel, but we are still the same person, maybe with a different outlook on life.
As long as we don’t lose sight of who we were and have a balance, all is well.
As far as Halal meat is concerned, I’m sure all have eaten and enjoyed it as much as any other meat , even if unknowingly.
I’m not saying I condone the Halal method of slaughter, but get a grip !
If you want to eat meat, something has to be killed.
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Redbridge person says…
6:25pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Overlandandsea, makes valid points. Why is it always Islam and Muslims getting special and preferential treatment?? Why yet again is a minority being catered for over a majority. This is the UK and not Ukstan despite the best efforts of liberal lefties. This religion is getting a grip everywhere. All the liberal countries such as Sweden and Holland have sever problems now with the muslim refugees they gave shelter to. They have destroyed jewish headtones even. And when was the last time you heard of a group of women from the Methodist church or a group of youngsters from an Anglican church plot to destroy and kill us…??? answer that!!!
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ColinOrient says…
7:38pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Nearly everyone in power is too frightened to speak up for many of the valid points described above. Politicians would never have the guts to speak up because they would be terrified of then losing their obscene salaries via ‘expenses’. Also, the schools concerned should be made to listen to the questions raised by us.
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westside_o says…
8:52pm Sun 24 Mar 13
http://www.youtube.c
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7Q
This brings things to another level.
Don’t watch if squeamish.
Makes you think again about Sunday dinner.
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SpursSupporter1 says…
9:04pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Parents at Larkswood need too stand up for their childrens rights too eat what they want and not Halal forced meat forced upon them
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Ever Watchful says…
9:28pm Sun 24 Mar 13
I think it would be respectful if the Head Teacher and the Governors held a meeting for parents so that this issue could be discussed; does anyone know who the councillors are for the area?
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westside_o says…
9:32pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Thom Goddard , Andy Hemsted and Michael Lewis.
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Ever Watchful says…
9:36pm Sun 24 Mar 13
westside_o wrote:
Thom Goddard , Andy Hemsted and Michael Lewis.
Thanks for that; perhaps parents (and maybe staff) might want to contact them for support inreaching a solutuion.
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Overlandandsea says…
10:27pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Think those names are for Chingford Green not Larkswood ward.
Councillor Nick Buckmaster
Larkswood
Conservative
Councillor Bernadette Mill
Larkswood
Conservative
Councillor John Moss
Larkswood
Conservative
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westside_o says…
10:55pm Sun 24 Mar 13
Sorry , many thanks.
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myopinioncounts says…
9:54am Mon 25 Mar 13
As far as Halal meat is concerned, I’m sure all have eaten and enjoyed it as much as any other meat , even if unknowingly.
-westside_o says…
5:52pm Sun 24 Mar 13
And a muslim would be none the wiser and come to no harm if he/she ate non halal meat but that is not the point here. Only 10% of pupils are muslim but the meat for ALL children will be halal – WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Schools must not be allowed to push through these changes just to satisfy a minority culture.
Food outlets, (and that includes some well known chains) that sell halal only often display a small sigh in Arabic(?) to show this is the case. Many customers may not see or understand the meaning of the symbol and be eating halal unknowingly. The food court in Selborne Mall is a case in point – I don’t think any of the 3 companies there are non halal. Franchises such as Subway are free to serve only halal if they wish.
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roger_1 says…
11:54am Mon 25 Mar 13
If you look at other parts of the east end like tower hamlets, newham and the south of waltham forest, they have much bigger muslim populations. Chingford is next in line. Give up the fight guys, and move further out to essex like all the other 600k white flighters in the last 10 years
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Isaythat says…
1:12pm Mon 25 Mar 13
roger_1 wrote:
If you look at other parts of the east end like tower hamlets, newham and the south of waltham forest, they have much bigger muslim populations. Chingford is next in line. Give up the fight guys, and move further out to essex like all the other 600k white flighters in the last 10 years
Both should be served – or neither! anything else is prejudiced against an element of the children in the school.
In reply to Roger1. Moving is not the long term answer, could it be Ukip?
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I.Ride says…
3:21pm Mon 25 Mar 13
The Government is a Joke. This is England, England and England only! Multi-culturalism will destroy this country, Multi-race is fine but there is one culture and its ours the English culture if you dont like it well.. GO HOME! This is disgusting that it has even been thought about that Non- Muslim kids should be fed this crap if the Muslims want it aint they heard of packed lunch? This countries government just keeps on giving in to these foreigners, only cause there scared to say the truth foreigners are ruining this country and you know it! Multi-Race NOT Multi-Culture this is England!!!
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J.Lee says…
9:45pm Mon 25 Mar 13
The link posted by westside-o does not show typical Helal methods. This one does.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=dxAqLDBc
9Eo&feature=player_e
mbedded
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everoptimistic says…
7:59am Tue 26 Mar 13
There is chance here for a good in-depth Guardian article. Please Daniel Binns could you ask the borough officer responsible for meals if it is standard practice in all schools to only serve halal meat. I suspect that most schools do not advertise the fact and we need to know how widespread the use of halal meat in our school kitchens (and other council run catering establishments) is. It is something that all schools should include in their brochures. This allows parents to make a choice.
Many see ritual killing as even more inhumane than the normal methods of slaughter. I think that we need a serious debate in this country about the whole animal welfare issue.
We should all bring this up with our local Councillors, MP’s etc. It is not just a religious issue. At the risk of sounding like an old hippy, animals do have rights to, even though they may only be the basic ‘the right not to suffer’.
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Isaythat says…
8:25am Tue 26 Mar 13
Everoptimistic, your point is certainly a valid one and one which should be looked into.
Freedom of choice is the other major factor, which presents the problem of which school within the required distance from home, can children be moved to if their choice is to eat non-halal meat?
There certainly is a necessary debate to be had and wide publicity is a must for this to be effective.
Everoptimistic, could you approach Daniel Binns directly on people’s behalf, just to get the ball rolling?
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myopinioncounts says…
9:09am Tue 26 Mar 13
Everoptomistic asks how widespread is the serving of halal food in our schools. As I said in a previous comment I know of a school where (some years ago ) the Head introduced halal meat informing only the office staff so they could reassure any muslim parent who enquired. Other members of staff were kept in the dark and when one found out and confronted the Head was told “I didn’t think it was necessary for anyone else to know”. The arrogance of this statement reflects the climate where staff and parents were (and still are?) not free to express any opinions about multiculturalism that did not support the borough’s views.
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everoptimistic says…
9:57am Tue 26 Mar 13
Isaythat – Daniel Binns away on holiday so have passed some comments to Joe Curtis.
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Walthamster says…
10:58am Tue 26 Mar 13
It’s good that the concerned parents and WF Guardian have dragged this into the open. Major changes should not be sneaked into practice without genuine, well-informed consultation. Schools shouldn’t be setting a bad example to their pupils.
We also need an honest and open discussion about cruelty to animals. Standard halal practice is to bleed the animal to death while it is conscious. That angers so many people that halal supporters have started saying they stun the animal first.
As I’ve discovered during this thread, that isn’t true. They use the word “stun” to mean the animal is disabled, but it remains conscious.
No muslim is forced to eat halal meat. They have the option of vegetarianism like anyone else. Children can bring packed lunches to school.
It took a long time to improve animal-welfare standards in the meat industry and we should be working to strengthen the law, not weaken it.
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chingfordresident says…
1:19pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Parents at this school unhappy with the situation should just provide their children with a packed lunch. If enough parents withdraw their children from school dinners, perhaps then the school might have to have a rethink.
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Isaythat says…
1:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13
everoptimistic wrote:
Isaythat – Daniel Binns away on holiday so have passed some comments to Joe Curtis.
everoptimistic, thanks.
I hope this matter doesn’t end here. The head of Larkswood School should rethink this decision and give equal rights to all pupils.
The school’s parents must carry on their protest and raise the profile of this.
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Walthamster says…
2:03pm Tue 26 Mar 13
chingfordresident wrote:
Parents at this school unhappy with the situation should just provide their children with a packed lunch. If enough parents withdraw their children from school dinners, perhaps then the school might have to have a rethink.
I fear this wouldn’t have enough impact, Chingfordresident. And it would send the wrong message. And I want school meals to be available to all children who need them.
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J.Lee says…
2:32pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Walthamster wrote:
chingfordresident wrote:
Parents at this school unhappy with the situation should just provide their children with a packed lunch. If enough parents withdraw their children from school dinners, perhaps then the school might have to have a rethink.
I fear this wouldn’t have enough impact, Chingfordresident. And it would send the wrong message. And I want school meals to be available to all children who need them.
“I want school meals to be available for all children who need them”
OK Chingford resident, then is the school going to provide suitable food for :-
a)vegetarians
bvegans
b) those who are lactose intolerant
c)Jewish pupils who have strict dietary requirements regarding milk and meat not coming onto contact in the same kitchen
d) those with gluten allergy
e) diabetics
also be aware that Sikhs and Hindu’s cannot eat Helal food.
It’s about time this PC nonsense stopped.
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chingfordresident says…
3:43pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Not enough impact?! There are over 700 children at this school. What impact does a photo with 5 parents and a few kids have? If enough parents withdrew their children from school dinners, it wouldn’t be viable for the school to produce any meals let alone halal ones. The school wouldn’t want that.
Sadly I suspect that there wouldn’t be enough parents who care that much.
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ruby newbie says…
4:35pm Tue 26 Mar 13
oh dear chingfordresident i reckon that there is enough,some just dont want to be accused of being racist.i wish the parents the best and i hope they achieve the result they want.i think LBWF are losing the plot in what its doing to itself lately.
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everoptimistic says…
6:23pm Tue 26 Mar 13
I’ve been thinking about this problem all day and have come up with a simple idea that would make school dinners possible for everyone. Just offer two or three vegetarian options. Pizza, pasta, pulses, rice, breads etc. etc. Soya mince, veggie sausages, jacket potatoes, salad. A vegetarian diet is healthy, low in fat, and inexpensive. No worries about halal, kosher etc. An egg free option for Hindus. Have I left anyone out. Children could have a hot meal and parents could provide the meat when they got home. Come on schools, give it a try. It is easy. Plenty of books to give you ideas and no worries about separate pots and pans. I offer my services to any school wishing to give it a try. You can have a well balanced diet with a little thought and would upset no-one.
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Ever Watchful says…
7:17pm Tue 26 Mar 13
everoptimistic wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this problem all day and have come up with a simple idea that would make school dinners possible for everyone. Just offer two or three vegetarian options. Pizza, pasta, pulses, rice, breads etc. etc. Soya mince, veggie sausages, jacket potatoes, salad. A vegetarian diet is healthy, low in fat, and inexpensive. No worries about halal, kosher etc. An egg free option for Hindus. Have I left anyone out. Children could have a hot meal and parents could provide the meat when they got home. Come on schools, give it a try. It is easy. Plenty of books to give you ideas and no worries about separate pots and pans. I offer my services to any school wishing to give it a try. You can have a well balanced diet with a little thought and would upset no-one.
I would say that this is an excellent proposal, especially as these healthy options would help to curb the obesity problem within children.
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mdj says…
9:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13
I’ve thought for years that meals at school should be made by the children. After a few disasters and pranks they’d get their acts together pretty quickly!
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Ever Watchful says…
11:57pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Does anyone know exactly when the school will impliment these changes?
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Cornbeefur says…
7:05am Wed 27 Mar 13
What is odd is that a lot of people do not realise that most lamb and chicken sold in supermarkets is halal these as it simplifies the production processes making it cheaper to produce it in one go.
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everoptimistic says…
7:13am Wed 27 Mar 13
Sad to talk about lambs and chickens as if they are carrots or lettuces.
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J.Lee says…
7:33am Wed 27 Mar 13
Cornbeefur wrote:
What is odd is that a lot of people do not realise that most lamb and chicken sold in supermarkets is halal these as it simplifies the production processes making it cheaper to produce it in one go.
If customers are not happy then this then they should ask before they buy see :-
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1315278/Top-supermar
kets-secretly-sell-h
alal-Sainsburys-Tesc
o-Waitrose-M-S-dont-
tell-meat-ritually-s
laughtered.html
or go to your local butcher.
Even better go veggie !
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Walthamster says…
9:33am Wed 27 Mar 13
everoptimistic wrote:
Sad to talk about lambs and chickens as if they are carrots or lettuces.
I agree. Animals have always been bred for slaughter, but that’s no excuse for negligence, much less deliberate cruelty.
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Isaythat says…
4:08pm Wed 27 Mar 13
everoptimistic wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this problem all day and have come up with a simple idea that would make school dinners possible for everyone. Just offer two or three vegetarian options. Pizza, pasta, pulses, rice, breads etc. etc. Soya mince, veggie sausages, jacket potatoes, salad. A vegetarian diet is healthy, low in fat, and inexpensive. No worries about halal, kosher etc. An egg free option for Hindus. Have I left anyone out. Children could have a hot meal and parents could provide the meat when they got home. Come on schools, give it a try. It is easy. Plenty of books to give you ideas and no worries about separate pots and pans. I offer my services to any school wishing to give it a try. You can have a well balanced diet with a little thought and would upset no-one.
Everpotimistic. Excellent idea. I hope at least a few of the determined parents of children at Larkswood school read your comment and act upon it. Better still, the head teacher reads it and sees the sense in what you say.
If I were a strict Muslim, I would not feel confident in trusting the meat was actually halal, given the deceit used recently. Lieing seems a regular occurence, so I would feel much happier with the diet you suggest.
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Walthamster says…
4:56pm Wed 27 Mar 13
everoptimistic wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this problem all day and have come up with a simple idea that would make school dinners possible for everyone. Just offer two or three vegetarian options. Pizza, pasta, pulses, rice, breads etc. etc. Soya mince, veggie sausages, jacket potatoes, salad. A vegetarian diet is healthy, low in fat, and inexpensive. No worries about halal, kosher etc. An egg free option for Hindus. Have I left anyone out. Children could have a hot meal and parents could provide the meat when they got home. Come on schools, give it a try. It is easy. Plenty of books to give you ideas and no worries about separate pots and pans. I offer my services to any school wishing to give it a try. You can have a well balanced diet with a little thought and would upset no-one.
Excellent idea. I hope schools take it up, with proper advice on providing a well-balanced vegetarian menu. This way no one can be offended and children can eat meat at home if they wish.
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solcomm says…
9:34am Thu 28 Mar 13
Sometimes the simple solutions are so obvious.
A vegetarian lunch for all – their religious option in the evening when they get home.
I would recommend veggie sausages and mash or vegetarian Sheppard’s pie.
Could also introduce fish-fingers!
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Walthamster says…
10:30am Thu 28 Mar 13
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
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Alan_1976 says…
11:15am Thu 28 Mar 13
Walthamster wrote:
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
Only if you’re happy for them to have less teaching time dedicated to actual subjects such as English, mathematics etc.
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Walthamster says…
11:28am Thu 28 Mar 13
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
Only if you’re happy for them to have less teaching time dedicated to actual subjects such as English, mathematics etc.
Alan, cookery classes used to be part of the normal school curriculum. Now children are growing up without simple cooking skills and we have an epidemic of ill-health related to poor diet. One cookery class a week wouldn’t disrupt anyone’s education, and all the more useful if the kids help make the school meals they’re going to eat.
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Alan_1976 says…
11:53am Thu 28 Mar 13
Walthamster wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
Only if you’re happy for them to have less teaching time dedicated to actual subjects such as English, mathematics etc.
Alan, cookery classes used to be part of the normal school curriculum. Now children are growing up without simple cooking skills and we have an epidemic of ill-health related to poor diet. One cookery class a week wouldn’t disrupt anyone’s education, and all the more useful if the kids help make the school meals they’re going to eat.
Given that I myself had cookery classes at school and am a parent I think it odd that you seek to blame the current lack of cooking lessons on the current childrens poor diet. The parents supplying a poor diet are those who had cooking lessons.
One cooking lesson a week will not feed the children on the other four school days of the week.
Cooking takes time to prepare, the actual cooking of the food takes time.
The mechanics of cooking for a large number of people are different from those involved in cooking for one’s self or a small number of people not to mention the hygiene considerations.
Setting all that aside it in no way solves the issue of source of meat for food.
Also given the numerous suggestions of vegetarianism as come kind of panacea to this they seem to ignore the complexities of making sure that the diet contains enough to make up for the numerous new potential nutritional deficiencies that such a diet risks introducing.
http://www.healthych
ildren.org/English/a
ges-stages/gradescho
ol/nutrition/pages/V
egetartian-Diet-for-
Children.aspx?nfstat
us=401&nftoken=00000
000-0000-0000-0000-0
00000000000&nfstatus
description=ERROR%3a
+No+local+token
Iron, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D etc. etc.
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J.Lee says…
10:20pm Thu 28 Mar 13
Complexities of vegetarianism ? Please get real, it is a healthy diet not a witches brew.
See for ideas about healthy veggie eating :- http://www.viva.org.
uk/guides/vhfk01.htm
l
also see this for the meat alternative
http://www.viva.org.
uk/campaigns/dirtyme
at/index.htm
Bon appetit !
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Isaythat says…
6:48am Fri 29 Mar 13
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
Only if you’re happy for them to have less teaching time dedicated to actual subjects such as English, mathematics etc.
Alan, cookery classes used to be part of the normal school curriculum. Now children are growing up without simple cooking skills and we have an epidemic of ill-health related to poor diet. One cookery class a week wouldn’t disrupt anyone’s education, and all the more useful if the kids help make the school meals they’re going to eat.
Given that I myself had cookery classes at school and am a parent I think it odd that you seek to blame the current lack of cooking lessons on the current childrens poor diet. The parents supplying a poor diet are those who had cooking lessons.
One cooking lesson a week will not feed the children on the other four school days of the week.
Cooking takes time to prepare, the actual cooking of the food takes time.
The mechanics of cooking for a large number of people are different from those involved in cooking for one’s self or a small number of people not to mention the hygiene considerations.
Setting all that aside it in no way solves the issue of source of meat for food.
Also given the numerous suggestions of vegetarianism as come kind of panacea to this they seem to ignore the complexities of making sure that the diet contains enough to make up for the numerous new potential nutritional deficiencies that such a diet risks introducing.
http://www.healthych
ildren.org/English/a
ges-stages/gradescho
ol/nutrition/pages/V
egetartian-Diet-for-
Children.aspx?nfstat
us=401&nftoken=0
0000
000-0000-0000-0000-0
00000000000&nfst
atus
description=ERROR%3a
+No+local+token
Iron, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D etc. etc.
I can’t agree with you on this one Alan. Vegetarian diets are extremely easy to fulfil all nutritional elements. It just has to be considered in the planning, as does for meat eaters. Plenty of nuts, pulses (baked beans), fish, fruit and veg will do it.
As I said above, no-one can be 100% sure what the schools are serving, so a vegegarian diet is safe for every religion – a win win plan. Such an obvious solution.
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Alan_1976 says…
7:08am Fri 29 Mar 13
J.Lee wrote:
Complexities of vegetarianism ? Please get real, it is a healthy diet not a witches brew.
See for ideas about healthy veggie eating :- http://www.viva.org.
uk/guides/vhfk01.htm
l
also see this for the meat alternative
http://www.viva.org.
uk/campaigns/dirtyme
at/index.htm
Bon appetit !
You then send a link which shows that a vegetarian diet requires planning to ensure the nutrients are there. Where you intending to send something that contradicted what I said because that link confirms it?
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Alan_1976 says…
7:10am Fri 29 Mar 13
Isaythat wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
I’ve also been thinking about mdj’s suggestion that the children should help make school meals. Few children know how to cook any more, because so many parents don’t cook. But it is an essential life skill. This would make a lot of sense.
Only if you’re happy for them to have less teaching time dedicated to actual subjects such as English, mathematics etc.
Alan, cookery classes used to be part of the normal school curriculum. Now children are growing up without simple cooking skills and we have an epidemic of ill-health related to poor diet. One cookery class a week wouldn’t disrupt anyone’s education, and all the more useful if the kids help make the school meals they’re going to eat.
Given that I myself had cookery classes at school and am a parent I think it odd that you seek to blame the current lack of cooking lessons on the current childrens poor diet. The parents supplying a poor diet are those who had cooking lessons.
One cooking lesson a week will not feed the children on the other four school days of the week.
Cooking takes time to prepare, the actual cooking of the food takes time.
The mechanics of cooking for a large number of people are different from those involved in cooking for one’s self or a small number of people not to mention the hygiene considerations.
Setting all that aside it in no way solves the issue of source of meat for food.
Also given the numerous suggestions of vegetarianism as come kind of panacea to this they seem to ignore the complexities of making sure that the diet contains enough to make up for the numerous new potential nutritional deficiencies that such a diet risks introducing.
http://www.healthych
ildren.org/English/a
ges-stages/gradescho
ol/nutrition/pages/V
egetartian-Diet-for-
Children.aspx?nfstat
us=401&nftoken=0
0000
000-0000-0000-0000-0
00000000000&nfst
atus
description=ERROR%3a
+No+local+token
Iron, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D etc. etc.
I can’t agree with you on this one Alan. Vegetarian diets are extremely easy to fulfil all nutritional elements. It just has to be considered in the planning, as does for meat eaters. Plenty of nuts, pulses (baked beans), fish, fruit and veg will do it.
As I said above, no-one can be 100% sure what the schools are serving, so a vegegarian diet is safe for every religion – a win win plan. Such an obvious solution.
“Plenty of nuts”. Given the high incidence of nut allergies it doesn’t sound a safe diet for everyone
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Isaythat says…
7:16am Fri 29 Mar 13
Alan, good point, but I would assume anyone with a nut allegy would not be having school dinners.
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SpursSupporter1 says…
7:38am Fri 29 Mar 13
It still comes down too children having a choice, could you imagine the uproar if a child that only eats Halal was only given a choice of Pork too eat Exactly
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Alan_1976 says…
8:34am Fri 29 Mar 13
SpursSupporter1 wrote:
It still comes down too children having a choice, could you imagine the uproar if a child that only eats Halal was only given a choice of Pork too eat Exactly
I have nothing against a vegetarian diet. I often enjoy a good veggie meal and if a child of mine wanted to be a vegetarian then i would support their choice but it is the element of choice that is important here as you say.
Serving only a vegetarian option is in its own way imposing a belief system about what we should eat on others. I find it ironic that on this article people are talking about using that imposed diet as an answer to people’s objections about an imposed diet.
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myopinioncounts says…
10:45am Fri 29 Mar 13
How many other countries provide a highly subsidised school dinner? I guess the answer is likely to be none. When I was a school there were no choices just meat and two veg and a pudding. You ate it or went without.
Perhaps the only answer to the wide dietary demands we now see in our schools is to stop providing school dinners and for ALL children to bring a packed lunch. Poorer families who now receive free meals can be given extra benefits to cover the cost.
To those who will immediately say that some parents will send their child with inappropriate or insufficient food I say we cannot mollycoddle parents, they must be made to take responsibility and not offload it onto others.
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Walthamster says…
11:02am Fri 29 Mar 13
Alan, all school meals should be nutritionally balanced and prepared under expert supervision. (All the better if some pupils are helping and learning.) It’s no harder to get this right on a vegetarian diet. And kids can gorge on burgers at home if they wish!
Myopinioncounts, I see your point, but so many children eat junk instead of healthy food that a healthy school dinner could be the only real nutrition they get. And healthy eating is even more important for children than for the rest of us – poor diet really does affect their brain development and lifelong health.
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Redbridge person says…
3:28pm Fri 29 Mar 13
so now staff have to spend hours of time and money developing veg options etc etc…just ban halal products and thats the end of the whole nonsense. no other country eu or otherwise would even be having this ridiculous discussion. ban it all and end of. full stop. easy.next.
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myopinioncounts says…
4:23pm Fri 29 Mar 13
“Myopinioncounts, I see your point, but so many children eat junk instead of healthy food that a healthy school dinner could be the only real nutrition they get. ” – Exactly what I mean “Walthamster”, the state is taking away the parent’s responsibility to care properly for the children they chose to bring into the world. How far do we go?
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icareE17 says…
10:03pm Fri 29 Mar 13
I would be concerned too. The halal method of slaughter is a very cruel way to kill an animal- especially a cow which has blood supplied to the brain via a thick spinal column (so slitting its throat results in a long and painful death). That halal slaughter is cruel, is not just my opinion, but also that of the British Veterinary Association. This practice is banned in many other progressive countries and its time that the UK followed suit.
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Overlandandsea says…
12:10pm Sun 31 Mar 13
We must point out to those in power that we have the RIGHT to Freedom of Conscience when it comes to the vast over-production of halal meat and so many UNLABELLED halal products & services. As Non-Muslims we do not require halal certification at all in our Non-Islamic nations!
Article 9 Human Rights Act. regarding Freedom of Conscience – should give us the right to religious and secular freedom, ie to not be forced to participate in religious rites. Dedicating this meat to a god violates this right: hence there is forced participation in another’s religion without consent. Also Jews, Sikhs & Christians are specifically instructed not to eat this meat, so where is their religious freedom?
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Overlandandsea says…
12:11pm Sun 31 Mar 13
As many people as possible need to write to their MP’s quoting this article and complaining that they are forced to eat halal food whereas they the MP’s and Lords have thrown out halal food from the Palace of Westminster and that we have the right as they have and demand that our rights be upheld immediately.
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Overlandandsea says…
12:13pm Sun 31 Mar 13
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Overlandandsea says…
12:15pm Sun 31 Mar 13
Please write to your representatives in power… see who they are & write to them for FREE here (if you are in the UK) – if not still write to your government and tell them why they should resist the sale of halal meat to the Non-Muslim majority of consumers – who do not need or want Halal Ritually Slaughtered meat.
We do not require halal certification at all.
If muslims want halal certification – Let them pay for it – NOT US!
The Followers of Islam are making money on the back of the well known brands that we know & love… this is taking profit towards Islamic ends rather than it help our National Debt in these times of austerity… Why are we allowing halal certification on mainstream products & services when over 95% of our population are NOT MUSLIMS & do not require it??? Tell those in Power to Wake Up!
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Overlandandsea says…
12:25pm Sun 31 Mar 13
One rule for them and another for the rest of us it seems.
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Overlandandsea says…
9:59am Mon 1 Apr 13
http://www.gatestone
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J.Lee says…
10:45pm Wed 3 Apr 13
Can anyone explain why the dietary preferences of the minority must overrule the minority? I thought this was a democratic society?
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J.Lee says…
10:12pm Mon 8 Apr 13
Despite what many halal stockists, supermarkets, politicians, Government and even some animal welfare organisations claim, no Islamic food certification groups support full and effective stunni
just planning for the future. In one generation’s time 70% of the kids will be muslim. Ban all ritually slaughtered food products, NOW11
Rather than ban all ritual slaughter, why not go back to what the words and the spirit of the religious slaughter regulations say, which is such meat is ONLY for those who require it and is not to be put into the general supply of meat. I wouldn’t want to deprive Jews or Seventh Day Adventists of Kosher meat (some 7th Day Adventists keep the kosher rules), nor would I want to deprive Jains of food that hasn’t been anywhere near a living creature. It would help to understand that the concept and identity of the Islamic god Allah was derived originally from pre-Islamic Arabian pagan traditions and therefore would be considered an idol by Christians and Jews. Because Allah is an idol, Halal meat is forbidden for professing Christians. The Christian book of Corinthians states that: 1 Cor. 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Halal meat is also forbidden for Jews as well, again on the grounds that Allah is an idol and the book of Leviticus forbids idolatry and also food that has been prepared in accordance with the rules of idolatrous religions See Leviticus 19:4 “You are not to turn to their idols or cast gods out of melted metal for yourselves. I am the LORD your God.
Halal food should only be supplied to Halal shops and Kosher meat should only be supplied to kosher outlets, that was the original intention of the exemption from stunning contained in the relevant legislation.
Good post, forensically researched. A fine example of the Catch-22 bind that the ‘multiculturalist’ totalitarians have created for non-muslims: say nothing about creeping Islamisation & you will find your daughters wearing headscarves, speak out, however reasonably, & you will be damned as a bigot. That a head of a school, with a 90% non-muslim majority, should behave in such a blatantly biased manner, tells us all we need to know about our institutions capitulation to the ‘chosen faith’- we must adapt to Islam. It is a surefire recipe for absolute segregation, with non-muslim parents, sensibly, banding together to demand schools for their kids where Islamic law does not hold sway.
Another example of the utter contempt the political class & its servants has for the indigenous people of the UK. It’s as if we are the new arrivals & must do the conforming. The only school many of our teachers seem concerned with, is the School of Frankfurt.
Thank you for the compliment. You are correct, if we don’t speak out we will find our daughters forced into headscarves. You are also correct in describing the multiculturalists as ‘totalitarians’ because their definition of ‘diversity’ is anything but ‘diverse’ when it comes to disagreeing with them.
This headteacher is arrogant, she is imposing a diet on the children that the parents do not want and dismissing the very valid complaints. It does show utter contempt for the people who pay those like Lynne Harrowell’s wages. It is as you say, blatantly biased.
Methinks that Ms Harrowell is going to be the March winner of this blog’s ‘Neville Chamberlain of the Month’ competition.
We need to kick out the appeasers like Ms Harrowell from our public sector before they do anymore damage than they have already done.
If I was a parent with a child at this school I would be removing her immediately. I’d rather take the fiscal hit and ‘home-school’ than allowing my child to be brainwashed into thinking that Islam is a religion of peace.
First, well done to all those parents and pupils who are standing against conforming to Islamic practices. It’s a shame that inspirational young teachers cant get involved, I guess for fear of losing their jobs. What country are we supposed to be living in….it sure ain’t Britain any more! 90% must eat Muslim Halal meat, or bring a packed lunch. Something is not right here! What is really worrying is that Ms Harrowell states that all the other schools in the area only provide Halal meat. As if this is an intelligent argument for her school also to conform to Islamic ways? Shame on this woman. Yes, she gets my vote for ‘Neville Chamberlain of the Month’ award.
Thanks. Neville nomination noted. It was the arrogance of Harrowell that got me and how she probably saw the parents as ‘irritants’. I also salute these parents but it is chilling to see how the threat of being called a ‘racist’ has made people fearful. For that crime alone the Left need to be punished. The problem regarding the teachers is similar to that of social workers which is the lecturers and course materials are often of a leftist persuasion. I remember reading once (can’t remember the publication at present) that a social worker was being interviewed and she said how pervaisve the exhortations to ‘diversity’ and ‘racism’ were when training.