The land in Redbridge that is soon to be occupied by a huge and dominating mosque for which planning permission was granted by the London Borough of Redbridge.
It seems as if the appeasement of Islam by the London Borough of Redbridge is continuing apace with the granting of permission for land that was formerly occupied by a Salvation Army hall in Newbury Park to be turned into a mosque.
A correspondent to this blog has said that he has local knowledge of the area and has supplied background to this story. Some of what has been said about the behaviour of those involved in is quite worrying, and there may be more behind this particular case and the applicants for planning permission for it than meets the eye.
Although the planning permission to turn this land into a single story mosque was granted back in 2012 there doesn’t appear to have been any meaningful communication by Redbridge planning department with local residents in this area. They should have been notified in some way in writing about what is a quite major development in their immediate area. What is also suspicious is when you look at the planning decision documents the applicant is only referred to as ‘Mr B’ of ‘The Trustees Newbury Park Islamic Cultural Centre, 27, Lyndhurst Gardens, Ilford, Essex, IG2 7DH.’
There are two questions that Redbridge Council need to answer regarding this case. The first is that why were local residents who may have a planning interest in any development of the site not notified by letter about this plan because there appear to be many residents whose enjoyment of their property may well be affected by issues such as parking problems caused by the new development. The second issue that needs to be addressed by Redbridge is why they have allowed the applicant to remain nameless on the application, something that is noticable when compared to other decided applications visible on the Redbridge council website.
It appears that whatever Islamic group has now decided to claim the site in earnest has erected what has been described as a ‘big green shed, with no windows and covered with cctv cameras.’ Those attending this building don’t exactly appear to be endearing themselves with the neighbours with groups of Muslim men allegedly staring in a hostile manner at any local person who sees them entering the building.
There is very little background as to the make up of the Newbury Park Islamic Cultural Centre’s governing committee and also no indication as to who ‘Mr B’ could be. It isn’t apparent from looking at the mosque’s website exactly how extreme this organisation is, but from reading between the lines parts of the Masjid’s website, this mosque is not intended to serve an existing population of Muslims, but is instead intended to serve as part of an ongoing Dawa (Islamic evangelisation) project to bring Islam to areas like Newbury Park were it was not before. There is a strong current of supremacism about this project including on their ask the Imaam pages an article which says disparaging things about both the Christian bible and the Jewish Torah and how they are ‘corrupted’ and that only the Koran is true and unchanging. This attitude to the Koran is present in those groups that have an uncompromising and sometimes violent approach to Islam. An attitude of ‘no other path than Islam’ is a sign that these are not fluffy Ahmadiya Muslims. This mosque project, which is going to look a little like two ‘witches hats’, if the plan is anything to go by, and with what looks like limited car parking space, is going to dominate the area and cause immense traffic congestion.
If you wanted to take a great big crap on an area, so big a crap in fact that it makes life unpleasant for people and drives the original residents away, then you couldn’t do better than a domineering project like this. Especially if the project is essentially ‘sprung’ on them because of inadequate communication about planning proposals.
Someone, somewhere on the Council appears to have given this project an easier ride than it should have had, judging by the scale of the project and the potential for extreme disruption to the existing residents. From the alleged lack of communication with those most likely to be afflicted by this mosque, to the psudomnymous treatment of the applicant for planning permission, this case stinks of collusion. Whether that be collusion of the brown envelope of cash variety, or local politicos trying to grab a slice of the ‘whipped mosque vote’, or the sort of tribal and familial corruption that has been imported to Britain along with Pakistani immigrants, is unknown, but something isn’t right about this case nor do I have any confidence in the goodwill and honesty of the group behind it.
Links
The Islamic group behind the ‘witches hats’ mosque planned for Newbury Park
http://www.npicc.org/Default.aspx
The planning permission to the Islamic group
http://planning.redbridge.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2647/09/01
The location of the latest mosque monstrosity
https://plus.google.com/103390378520597142458/about?gl=uk&hl=en
“What is also suspicious is when you look at the planning decision documents the applicant is only referred to as ‘Mr B’ of ‘The Trustees Newbury Park Islamic Cultural Centre, 27, Lyndhurst Gardens, Ilford, Essex, IG2 7DH.’”
This sort of concealment of identity is either illegal or should be.
This sort of concealment could only have occured with the connivance of council officers. Possibly by the mosque-e-teers whining that they may be subject to ‘racist’ attack. you know the sort of normal ‘Tell Mama’ type lies.
Dear Fahrenheit 211,
Firstly, thank you for writing what has been an intriguing read. Somewhat wordy and convoluted, your article still raises some interesting questions.
We, as the British public need honest and dependable journalism to report the facts and details so that we are not misguided and misinformed by the less reputable morals of the authority. There is no doubt that corruption drips down to the very seat Mr. Cameron occupies and perhaps, as you state, it derives from a grassroots level; our own councils.
What intrigues me is that your allegations are rather serious and one hopes that you are not the ‘tell mama’ type and simply write articles on your blog to assuage you own annoyance. Who you are directing your angst towards is very unclear; you spend half the article pointing the finger at Redbridge Council, whilst the other half seems to border on islamaphobic-esqe slurs that are wholly unjustified and almost slanderous in tone. Being a local resident, I have not experienced any such negativities that you claim my neighbours face. Putting speech marks around a sentence, Mr Fahrenheit 211, does not make it fact. I smell shoddy journalism.
See, the problem with reading between the lines is that it is one man’s interpretation of what he wants to see. And often, what one wants to see can itself become corrupted by preconceived notions. I myself have on a few occasions visited the mosque and have not seen anything untoward or worrying. I feel I can say that perhaps you should visit the temporary building and speak to a few members that attend; this may allay some of your fears and prejudices. In fact, I extend an invitation to you. Perhaps there is something to be learnt.
You managed the first part of the article well, holding in your prejudice and disdain, providing almost a balanced argument that I could have been swayed by, but I’m afraid your intolerance got the better of you and I lost a little respect when you starting talking about ‘taking a big crap’. The sheer crass tone, the almost expletive, drives this article to a murky area where it just sounds like a balding middle aged man having a rant.
You’ve endeavored well a few things here; an attempt has been made to smear Redbridge council, a sympathy vote has gone out to the local residents, but more subtly you’ve tried to instill fear in locals by questioning the morality, genuinity and intentions of a bunch of people that are attempting to actually bring a little community to this backwater, forgotten part of London. I in my time have witnessed two neighborhood cleanups spearheaded by the mosque committee and in my years in Newbury Park, have not witnessed one by anyone else so far. The council was present during the most recent cleanup but then, this was probably when you think the brown paper envelope exchange happened. The world is as dark and corrupted a place as you make it Mr Fahrenheit 211, those that wish to, see collusion and corruption because in their hearts they thrive off the drama of it, so much so that it corrupts them and blinds them as to what is really happening.
Perhaps you think this response too forward and maybe you will think it deserves no place on your blog, and after all we live, do we not, in a democracy with freedom of both voice and action, but I do hope you read it at least. For clarity if nothing else.
I missed you Pakistani immigrants reference. I was not sure what that had to do with anything, but I’m sure, like all the others, they boil your piss too. Well done. Carry on.
Dear Bella,
I have answered your comment below. My response is in italics.
Dear Fahrenheit 211,
Firstly, thank you for writing what has been an intriguing read. Somewhat wordy and convoluted, your article still raises some interesting questions.
Thank you, criticisms of style or content are far preferable to the sort of threats to life, limb and freedom that me and those like me normally get from members and supporters of the ‘Religion of Peace’.
We, as the British public need honest and dependable journalism to report the facts and details so that we are not misguided and misinformed by the less reputable morals of the authority. There is no doubt that corruption drips down to the very seat Mr. Cameron occupies and perhaps, as you state, it derives from a grassroots level; our own councils.
There is corruption at all levels of administration. Some of that corruption is financial as detailed in places like Prvate Eye’s Rotten Boroughs page and some corruption is more subtle and political.
What intrigues me is that your allegations are rather serious and one hopes that you are not the ‘tell mama’ type and simply write articles on your blog to assuage you own annoyance.
Unlike Tell Mama, unless I have to keep a source confidential I always link to sources or declare sources. There is enough ‘bad stuff’ out there about Islamic ideology, often from the writings of Islam itself, to not need to lie about how bad it is. I will readily admit however, that I deplore the unwarranted influence that the ideology of Islam has in various fields. Islam is oppressive, violent and, if judged by the sort of societies that it creates, is as much of an ideology of concern as are Communism and Fascism.
Who you are directing your angst towards is very unclear; you spend half the article pointing the finger at Redbridge Council, whilst the other half seems to border on islamaphobic-esqe slurs that are wholly unjustified and almost slanderous in tone. Being a local resident, I have not experienced any such negativities that you claim my neighbours face. Putting speech marks around a sentence, Mr Fahrenheit 211, does not make it fact. I smell shoddy journalism.
I’m directing my anger at both Redbridge Council because they have seemingly allowed the application for this project to progress without disclosing the full name of those involved in the project, nor notified sufficiently local residents about the project. The Islamic ideology seems to be an object lesson on how to lose friends and alienate people, and not just in Redbridge.
As for your comment about being ‘islamophobic-esque’, let me say that if there is such a thing as ‘Islamophobia’ (which I doubt) then it derives not from the sort of racist rubbish trotted out by the BNP/NF et al, but from a genuine concern that this ideology is a threat to us as a nation. Personally I prefer the term ‘Islamo-nausea, as many people are sick to the back teeth of the ideology of Islam and the problems it brings (see any Northern town or city for details). You may claim to be a local resident of the area where this new mosque is being imposed, but there are other, more sceptical views of it than yours.
I’m sure you will understand that ethics prevent me disclosing the details of those who’ve supplied negative quotes about this mosque. I have a moral duty to protect my sources, and it is one of these sources that supplied the quote.
See, the problem with reading between the lines is that it is one man’s interpretation of what he wants to see. And often, what one wants to see can itself become corrupted by preconceived notions. I myself have on a few occasions visited the mosque and have not seen anything untoward or worrying. I feel I can say that perhaps you should visit the temporary building and speak to a few members that attend; this may allay some of your fears and prejudices. In fact, I extend an invitation to you. Perhaps there is something to be learnt.
I completely understand about the problem of bias, and I myself am biased, but biased towards the idea of a society where aggressive religion plays no part, a society where people can believe what they want as long as they don’t frighten the horses. Unfortunately, even a very brief perusal of news outlets worldwide will show almost anybody that ideology of Islam is a problem. Good for you for not seeing ‘anything untoward’ about this mosque site, it is your right to do so and your right to hold that opinion, but that doesn’t give you the right to disregard those who do have concerns. I would be quite willing to visit this mosque and talk to people, if I thought a) it would do any good ,and b) if I was going to be told the complete truth by those who are promoting this Mosque in Newbury Park. I have experienced directly the Islamic practice of ‘lying to promote Islam’ from a variety of Islamic organisations, on one occasion when one particular high profile organisation lied through their teeth and in the face of evidence to the contrary. They were trying to quieten down justifiable anger over their promotion of Islamic scholars who were recorded preaching sedition against the UK and murderous hatred against members of other religions. Excuse me for being wary of Islamic groups, but my experience of them has not been good.
You managed the first part of the article well, holding in your prejudice and disdain, providing almost a balanced argument that I could have been swayed by, but I’m afraid your intolerance got the better of you and I lost a little respect when you starting talking about ‘taking a big crap’. The sheer crass tone, the almost expletive, drives this article to a murky area where it just sounds like a balding middle aged man having a rant.
Firstly, I’ve plenty of hair, and sometimes a good rant is good for the soul. Yes it could be said that the word ‘crap’ was a strong one, but in this case deserved. It seems that the local authority and the Islamic group has indeed crapped quite heavily on the people of this area. Firstly by not giving adequate notification of this project to those directly affected by it and secondly by hiding the identity of some of those who were involved in preparing the planning application. These two things added together stink of possible political collusion between the local authority and Islamic groups, and really look like an attempt to keep the locals in the dark and reduce the possibility of organised protest against the project. If you look to the situation in neighbouring boroughs such as Newham and Waltham Forest you will get the general idea of what goes on regarding closeness between Islamic organisations and the political and administrative parts of local government.
You’ve endeavored well a few things here; an attempt has been made to smear Redbridge council, a sympathy vote has gone out to the local residents, but more subtly you’ve tried to instill fear in locals by questioning the morality, genuinity and intentions of a bunch of people that are attempting to actually bring a little community to this backwater, forgotten part of London. I in my time have witnessed two neighborhood cleanups spearheaded by the mosque committee and in my years in Newbury Park, have not witnessed one by anyone else so far. The council was present during the most recent cleanup but then, this was probably when you think the brown paper envelope exchange happened. The world is as dark and corrupted a place as you make it Mr Fahrenheit 211, those that wish to, see collusion and corruption because in their hearts they thrive off the drama of it, so much so that it corrupts them and blinds them as to what is really happening.
I will try to deal with your comments in the paragraph above as separate items.
On your allegation that I attempted to smear Redbridge council, let me say that it is their own actions that are giving rise to suspicion about what is going on.
You said that I have tried to instil fear of the organisation behind this mosque. I deny this as people were frightened by Islam before I wrote this. In fact people have been frightened of the murderous and oppressive ideology of Islam for 1,400 years or so.
I have a perfect right to question the morals, ideology and motives of the mosque promoters. You say that they are trying to bring “ little community to this backwater, forgotten part of London.” How arrogant a comment is that? Maybe the local people are quite happy with the community as it exists, and do not want someone to come along and say that their community is rubbish and here’s a new one.
I dismiss the claim about the ‘neighbourhood clean-ups’ on the grounds that this is purely a PR exercise carried out by the mosque organisation. I know that this sounds cynical but I’ve worked for third sector organisations and done very similar things myself to raise the profile of the organisation, to give the appearance of community involvement and therefore tick the right box on a council form, or to enhance the prospects of an organisation at funding grant renewal time.
Corruption does not always have to be of a brown envelope variety. It can be councillors wishing to favour groups who may assist them in retaining power or familial, religious and tribal corruption acting on council officers and members. If there isn’t collusion here between Islamic interests and those who should be more independently minded, then there certainly appears to be incompetence.
Perhaps you think this response too forward and maybe you will think it deserves no place on your blog, and after all we live, do we not, in a democracy with freedom of both voice and action, but I do hope you read it at least. For clarity if nothing else.
I missed you Pakistani immigrants reference. I was not sure what that had to do with anything, but I’m sure, like all the others, they boil your piss too. Well done. Carry on.
Your response is not too forward and I’ll certainly publish it. On one thing I agree with you, that is we currently live in a democracy with freedom of voice and non-violent action. It is because I respect and honour democracy and freedom that I speak up against Islam, for it can be see that wherever the ideologues of Islam control or influence policy, or community then freedom of speech dies and democracy is corrupted. The Pakistani immigrants reference is self-explanatory and situations where ‘whipped mosque votes’ or mass fraudulent postal votes are sadly a reality.
I’m a resident of newbury park and I’m trying to keep a level head about this whole matter. I have seen that parcel of land from the time it was just that a parcel of land to what it is now a site for the NPICC mosque/ cultural centre. If it does eventually become a cultural centre I would really like to see how much community engagement will actually take place. Now the biggest thing that has irked me all along has been the lack of any consultation with local residents from the council that any such venue or structure was going to be constructed, why local residents were not consulted really and truly beggars belief. Also the laying down of cones outside resident houses to reserve as parking spaces for people attending the centre for meetings/ prayer by car.
A few years ago when a proposal went out for a race course at Fairlop Waters a strong opposition and action was taken to do something about it.
How a mosque albeit a smaller version will change the demographic of Newbury Park only time will tell. I think this forum has been a good idea to help people to understand the background behind this whole story. Why all the alleged secrecy or collusion? Could it be because a few year ago another plan was drawn up for a large mosque to be created in East London (Barking /Dagenham) it was met with a huge amount of opposition from residents and was rejected?
We live in a time of progress the UK gives many people from minority backgrounds the freedom to express their religious beliefs and culture in a way that they may not be able to enjoy in their own country.
This is the face of multi-cultural Britain as it stands today. Sometimes the effects of which can be seen on ones own backyard…literally!
The above comment from “Bella” looks like the expousing from an ex local Redbridge councillor who goes by the name of Vanessa Cole, she has served on Redbridge Council for very many years, as her husband Robert still does.
Vanessa bless her, tried to garner the whipped mosque vote at every opportunity, however, what she failed to realise, was that she was simply being used..
The Newbury Park site was granted planning permission, before the Jacques Hall “problem”, and when planning permission was granted in Newbury Park, Cllrs in Newbury Park knowing what a mosque on their doorstep would do to their chances of being re-elected, quickly, looked elswhere, for a property for an Islamic Group to occupy, they suggested, and secured Jacques Hall.
Both Robert Cole, and Vanessa Cole are good friends of Dr Hameed, who you will recall, lied to residents, Councillors and officers to secure the lease on Jacques Hall, and has breached, and continues to breach the current planning permission granted.
Dr Hameed and Co, then turned against the Conservative Party, and invited into Jacques Hall his new Labour Party Friends during the recent 2014 local elections.
The electorate duly delivered, by voting Labour in both Aldborough Ward (where the Newbury Park Mosque is located) and Hainault, (where Jacques Hall is located).
The moral of the story, no matter how you try to appease Islamists, they will switch sides in an instant to further their cause, as Vanessa Cole found out….