The Islamic takeover of a former workingmans club in Hainault, London continues, and there are some spectacular bare-faced lies coming from the mouths of the representatives of the Hainault and Chigwell Muslim Association.
To recap for those who’ve missed the previous installments of this grisly tale of Taqiyya (lies to promote Islam) and arrogance on the part of the Muslim Association, here are the basic details and if you follow the links at the bottom you can see other occasions when this story has been covered by this blog. What happened was that there was once a workingman’s club in New North Road, Hainault, East London that the local residents wanted to trying to bring back into general community use. Affordable, well run, and accountable community facilities was what the local people wanted the site to be used for. They desired, and I’ve been informed, still desire, that this building be used as a community facility for all.
While the locals were trying to breathe new life into the centre, an Islamic group the Hainault and Chigwell Muslim Association, came up with a proposal to turn the building into a multifaith community centre with a focus on education. The local authority, the London Borough of Redbridge, gave permission for the HCMA to lease this building on the understanding that the building was used for general community purposes. A condition of the planning consent was that this building was not used as a place of worship. Sources in the local area state that the HCMA have completely disregarded these council imposed lease conditions and have turned what should have been a multifaith community centre catering for all, into a Mosque.
The management of the HCMA have treated the local community very shabbily indeed, they have lied to both Redbridge Council and the local residents, when they said that the building would not be used as a mosque. The HCMA have imposed conditions on outside hirers that are quite plainly designed to deter non-Muslims from hiring the centre. OAP Bingo, music, dancing and the free mixing of men and women have been banned by the management of the HCMA. Another ominous indication that the HCMA were going to turn this building into a mosque was when during the planning and handover stage, they asked for the building’s alcohol licence to be removed.
The local people are fighting back very hard on this issue. There have been petitions and calls for a review of the centre and the breaches of the planning consent. HCMA are also mismanaging Jacques Hall, not because of their incompetence, but because of their malevolence and dishonesty. It is quite plain, as an outside observer, to see what has happened here. An Islamic group gets a building under false pretences, by promising that the building and other facilities will be open for all, and then not only breaches their planning and use consent by using it as a mosque, but also breaches other conditions imposed by Redbridge Council that state that the building must be accessible for all. By turning this building into a mosque, HCMA have discriminated against any woman, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Atheist, LGBT person or group who may wish to use this building. This building has been stolen. There is no sugar-coated way to put it.
The arrogance of the thieves of HCMA became quite evident following an incident on October 1st 2013 when a group of 15 local residents, pushed past the ‘mosque-e-teer’ guarding the door, one Dr Hameed, and took a photograph of the prayer mats on the hall floor. This is visual proof that the building is indeed being used as a mosque. This was supposed to be a community centre, for the whole community, with a strict planning conditon, that the hall is not to be used as a place of worship. The HCMA have disregarded the law.
Although the photograph is quite blurred, which is understandable bearing in mind that it was taken in difficult and confrontational circumstances, it is quite easy to see that the main hall of the building has been turned into a mosque. Also indicative of mosque activity is what looks like a plaque or dish on the wall by the end window which appears to be taking the place of the ‘kibla arch’, found in or on all mosque walls and which indicates the prescribed direction for Islamic prayer.
Since the building was stolen by HCMA and turned into a mosque, the quality of life for the local people who live near the building has suffered. The hiring and letting policies of the HCMA are alleged to have excluded 97% of the local residents who may have wanted to use this building. As with many mosques, they’ve also suffered from extreme parking and traffic problems whenever Islamic prayer times come around, which is in itself another indication that the building has been ‘mosque-ed’.
Local people are keeping a close eye on this illegal and unwanted mosque and some have been documenting the problems it has brought. One source said that Friday’s are the worst. Between 13:25 and 14:00 hrs there is a lot of vehicular and pedestrian traffic converging on the now stolen community facility. Men in Islamic dress are arriving, taking off shoes and staying for approximately 20 minutes each. How dare people like Dr Hameed lie so outrageously about how this building is being used, of course it is now a mosque.
The dishonesty that this case has exposed should cause Redbridge Council to take immediate action against the HCMA which must include removing them as both tenants and management of the centre and putting the building in the hands of local residents. This case should also make Redbridge look again at other mosque and Islamic community centre applications that are either in the pipeline or have been granted, to see if there are irregularities with either the applications themselves, those behind the applications and the behaviour of applications both prior and after the planning case has been disposed of.
There may be other cases where all may not be right and an allegation has been made, on the Epping Forest Guardian’s comment page (archived below the footer links), that there may be problems with the application for an entity that was called ‘The Mulberry Way Language and Tuition Centre’, where there are alleged to be mosque-like activities going on. The planning website link to the application for the Mulberry Way entity appears to have mysteriously disappeared from the Redbridge Council website.
Dr Hameed sounds like a really nasty piece of work. Not only has he quite obviously bullshitted both the council and the local residents in order to blag the Jacques Hall building but he is not beyond bullying local councillors and trying to smear them as ‘racists’, which he did to Cllr David Poole. After investigation Redbridge Council took no action regarding Dr Hameed’s complaint of inappropriate correspondence by Cllr Poole. His complaint, like so many similar ones, was not worth the paper it was written on. Dr Hameed’s baseless accusation that local people are a bunch of BNP supporters is a similar type of smear to that used on Cllr Poole.
Finally I’d like to ask people who read this blog to see if they can help the local residents resist this illegal mosque. Read the links below for background and get in touch with the Hainault Community Action Group via Twitter ( @hcag2013 ). The locals of Hainault are fighting a dangerous and dishonest group, members of which have shown that they have both no scruples or respect for the law. The HCMA mean to hang onto Jacques Hall no matter what, it is now time for them to be shown that they cannot be allowed to get away with the theft of a community facility which has been paid for by all and should be accessible for all.
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Elsewhere from here about this story
27th November 2013
25th November 2013
14th November 2013
6th November 2013
13th May 2013
2nd May 2013
Redbridge document showing baseless complaint of racism and religious hatred against Cllr David Poole. Although the Redbridge Monitoring Officer found that Cllr Poole had not been consistent in his objection to different planning applications, they did not back up Hameed’s complaint that Cllr Poole had sent ‘inappropriately worded correspondence ‘.
http://moderngov.redbridge.gov.uk/documents/s86727/monitoring.pdf
Rebridge Council planning document (now unaccessible) for the application for the Mulberry Way Language and Tuition Centre
http://planningdocs.
redbridge.gov.uk/Ani
tePublicDocs/0011195
8.pdf
Below are the comments from the news article from the Epping Forest Guardian. It is included just in case the newspaper decides to delete the comments and restrict debate on the issue of Mosques and Islam ( a ‘memory hole regarding this issue and newspapers is something that happens with depressing regularilty). Sorry it’s just in ‘data-dump’ cut and paste format.
Comments begin.
5:34pm Fri 22 Nov 13
Clarke_john says…
It is inevitable that it will be used a mosque, with or without planning permission. The south woodford mosque operated without planning permission for years and then applied retrospectively.
However it is perfectly reasonable for visitors to turn up at 04.00 in the morning during Ramadan for “lectures”.
Good luck to the residents……you will need it.
2:31pm Sat 23 Nov 13
Billy Yerache says…
Clarke_john wrote:
It is inevitable that it will be used a mosque, with or without planning permission. The south woodford mosque operated without planning permission for years and then applied retrospectively.However it is perfectly reasonable for visitors to turn up at 04.00 in the morning during Ramadan for "lectures”.
Good luck to the residents……you will need it.
Yes and now at South Woodford they want to demolish it and make a massive one.
They will get away with this as the spineless council will let them in case they are accused of being racist.
11:43pm Sat 23 Nov 13
user69 says…
How It Is… wrote:
This has all the hallmarks of the Mulberry Way "Language and Tuition” Centre.. http://planningdocs.redbridge.gov.uk/Ani
tePublicDocs/0011195
8.pdf
It can be done if you know the legal process –
http://www.blackpool
gazette.co.uk/news/p
olitics/local-counci
l/three-to-face-cour
t-over-claims-illega
l-mosque-set-up-in-r
esort-1-6038227
I work in property conveyancing myself. The address in Hainault appears to have an exclusion on being used as a place of worship within the planning documents if you look at the Redbridge Planning website, which is odd. I bet the lawyer for acting on behalf the the residents who entered the petition is all over that point. I almost want to get involved myself now I know the residents have the law on their side.
11:53pm Sat 23 Nov 13
user69 says…
2:58pm Sun 24 Nov 13
myopinioncounts says…
We have a house in Walthamstow with a detached ‘garage’ that is used for gatherings of muslim men. There is even (allegedly) a separate kitchen in the garden to prepare meals for the many visitors who are there at all times of the night and day. The height of the ‘garage’ contravenes planning rules but nothing was done about it.
5:51pm Sun 24 Nov 13
Billy Yerache says…
myopinioncounts wrote:
We have a house in Walthamstow with a detached ‘garage’ that is used for gatherings of muslim men. There is even (allegedly) a separate kitchen in the garden to prepare meals for the many visitors who are there at all times of the night and day. The height of the ‘garage’ contravenes planning rules but nothing was done about it.
Make a formal protest on paper to Loakes and he will investigate.
You will have to give your name and address and he will take you seriously!
I promise!
7:18am Mon 25 Nov 13
pan says…
Sounds reminiscent of the community centre in Loughton and look what happened there. Wait for the false claims and wild accusations to start.
Strange that the chairman of this hall dismisses opposition by starting on about the bnp. Again reminiscent of previous events.
At the end of the day these halls are for hire and they need to be hired out to survive but why do these groups have to play silly games and not be honest about their intentions? That is what causes bad feelings and distrust within a community.
7:27am Mon 25 Nov 13
pan says…
Looks like it was planned all along
http://www.ilfordrec
order.co.uk/news/hai
nault_community_cent
re_opens_in_former_o
ld_working_men_s_clu
b_1_2367991
and the group is happy to class it as a mosque for Friday prayers
http://igsoc.org.uk/
city/hainault-and-ch
igwell-muslim-associ
ation-friday-prayers
-only/
11:29am Mon 25 Nov 13
Dave mp says…
1:36pm Mon 25 Nov 13
cynicalsue says…
5:24pm Mon 25 Nov 13
user69 says…
myopinioncounts wrote:
We have a house in Walthamstow with a detached ‘garage’ that is used for gatherings of muslim men. There is even (allegedly) a separate kitchen in the garden to prepare meals for the many visitors who are there at all times of the night and day. The height of the ‘garage’ contravenes planning rules but nothing was done about it.
Make a formal protest on paper to Loakes and he will investigate.
You will have to give your name and address and he will take you seriously!
I promise!
The “Social Inclusion” strategy is the thing to look at and it’s part of the Local Development Framework…. can find it at most council websites.
5:34pm Mon 25 Nov 13
user69 says…
pan wrote:
Sounds reminiscent of the community centre in Loughton and look what happened there. Wait for the false claims and wild accusations to start.Strange that the chairman of this hall dismisses opposition by starting on about the bnp. Again reminiscent of previous events.
At the end of the day these halls are for hire and they need to be hired out to survive but why do these groups have to play silly games and not be honest about their intentions? That is what causes bad feelings and distrust within a community.
The irony that the Hainault and Chigwell Muslim association are throwing around the “racist” remark at anyone who challenges their illegal religious activity, yet it seems they are the racists and have been reported to the council for discriminating people!!! tables are turned for a change.
6:12pm Mon 25 Nov 13
weknewit says…
1:07am Tue 26 Nov 13
How It Is… says…
Looks like Dr Hameed and the Hainault and Chigwell Muslim Association are quite happy to pull the ‘discrimination card’ at the earliest opportunity.
It appears they went after a local Hainault councillor who opposed their plans.
See paragraph 5.3 and decision notice MOAC0004
http://moderngov.red
bridge.gov.uk/docume
nts/s86727/monitorin
g.pdf
It would appear, that If you make any objections to the planning proposals, you are branded as ‘racist’ at the earliest opportunity.
5:48pm Wed 27 Nov 13
ruby newbie says…
LBoRedbridge knew that it had a problem long ago the same happened in the muslim cemetry round the corner to this place,every friday aft cars would be parked all along elmbridge road even up on the grass verges with no respect and thought for others obstructing traffic pedestrians and even parking across nearby residents drives,i also take offence to this man saying that the bnp have alot of supporters in the area,no they dont and i feel he is using this as a tool. the organisation known as the hainault and chigwell association was set up a few months before they knew the lease was up for remewal…..so maybe if you were to behave yourselves and act in an approprate manner then maybe the local community will not mind and could stop you accusing every one of being racist.which seems to come very easily nowadays…
11:01pm Wed 27 Nov 13
How It Is… says…
The Original Article above used to read…
An investigation has been launched into a community centre which has been accused as secretly running as a mosque.
On September 1. Hainault and Chigwell Muslim Association took over the running of Hainault Community Centre for the purposes of “improving education”.
However, people living nearby, claim that this simply is not the case.
A fortnight ago a petition signed by 57 neighbouring residents was handed into Redbridge Council requesting that action is taken against the “illegal mosque”
Today a council spokesman said: “The permitted use of Jacques Hall as a community centre is regulated both by the terms of its current planning permission, and the terms of the lease agreed with the Council.
“We have received claims, separately and within a petition, that Jacques Hall is being used for religious activity that falls outside its permitted use.
“We have an obligation to look into these claims and an investigation is currently ongoing.”
Last week, Guardian reporter visited the site and witnessed scores of men in traditional Muslim dress removing their shoes before heading into the packed centre.
The car park was full and many vehicles were abandoned on the street outside of the ‘multi faith’ centre.
However, chairman of the association in charge.
Dr Sohail Hameed says that the crowd was gathered at the New North Road premises for a lecture, as they do every Friday.
He said “It is booked by an individual for a lecture, about 50 men attend.
“Anyone is welcome to use the centre, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian.
“We do not have mass prayers here, it is half and half, the men have a lecture on a Friday and then they say a prayer before they leave.
“The opposition does not surprise me. The BNP have many followers in this area.
“This is not a mosque. It is for the whole community to come and sing and dance and hire the rooms.”
When Redbridge Council permitted the association to take over the running of the centre, the third clause in the agreement clearly stated that it is not to be used as a place of worship.
Residents belonging to the local residents association have spoken out against the centre saying that residents feel “excluded and discriminated” against.
The chairman who did not want to be named claims that separate entrances are used for men and women and the people have been refused entry based on their faith.
The comments above relate to the original article, I wonder who requested that the original article be edited so heavily…?
7:43pm Thu 28 Nov 13
weknewit says…
Clarke_john wrote:
It is inevitable that it will be used a mosque, with or without planning permission. The south woodford mosque operated without planning permission for years and then applied retrospectively.However it is perfectly reasonable for visitors to turn up at 04.00 in the morning during Ramadan for "lectures”.
Good luck to the residents……you will need it.
Yes and now at South Woodford they want to demolish it and make a massive one.
They will get away with this as the spineless council will let them in case they are accused of being racist.
Council elections next year… now is the time to mobilize protest. A large number od objewctors, as per South Woodford is going to worry councillors who could easily be displaced. USE YOUR VOTE THIS COMING SPRING!!
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Oh a threat. So bloody what. It’s not as if you haven’t got form for threats like this. BTW I’m approving your comment just to show people what a arrogant scumbag you are.
Dr Hameed, I’m confident that I and the many others who are opposed to this building theft are correct in our assertion that you are lying about your organisations use of this building. You on the other hand are miffed that you have been exposed. Also for your information, this site attacks the ideology of Islam, not those poor bastards who are entrapped by it.
More lies from Dr Hameed, I’ve checked and the video is still publicly available.
police has blocked all the comments. you cannot comment any more and police investigation is on going
Yes, yes enjoy your police fantasy. Do you really think that by now that film isn’t all over the web in a myriad of different formats? Also look at my sites IP address, it isn’t even in the UK. You have committed an internet fail. Bye
looks like comments just went back on…. lol. Spare the bullshit.
http://www.alansangle.com/?p=1203
Paragraph 10. Seems a lot of threatening goes on.
Do your guv’nors know that you are threatening people with arrest and posting from an NHS IP address? Surely that is against NHS internet usage rules?
From Alan Angle blog above..
TJ (Tablighi Jamaat) uses various techniques to pressurise and persuade. Last October when our campaign against the mega-mosque planning application was gaining traction and likely to be successful (here) I received an email from a Dr Sohail Hameed, Chairman of Hainault & Chigwell Muslim Association, threatening me with legal action because I was “spreading violence and stirring racism” and “hurting feelings of billions of Muslims living worldwide”. He wrote, “I like to give you formal NOTICE to stop negative and baseless without any evidence propaganda against Muslims and Islam and Holy Quran. It is illegal because you are spreading racism.”
I emailed Dr Hameed that I was not spreading racism, that I stand firmly against any form of racism, and that I would be happy to meet with him to discuss his allegations.
In reply he dropped his claims of racism to accuse me instead of illegal “spreading religious hatred”. He refused to meet because he was “very busy with our planning application”. He said he would see me in court…
He seems more and more a lovely piece of work. Threats and and a supporter of TJ, what’s not to like.
I HAVE DEFEATED DAVID POOLE AND HIS PARTY. I HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING AGAINST HIM FOR LAST FEW MONTHS.
DEMOCRACY IS THE BEST REVENGE.
Is this a case of you Dr Hameed referring to the fact that Labour have taken control Redbridge, it certainly looks like that. Thank you Dr Hameed for letting us all know that you think that Labour is ‘Islam friendly’and will be more so now that they control Redbridge, however I think many of us had worked that out already. We know the Labour party no longer represents the main body of the British working classes. I was interested to see you use the word ‘democracy’. Do you mean democracy in the classic one man one vote post 19th century Reform Act democracy, or do you mean democracy in a Tower Hamlets style?
Dr Hameed, I would advise you that in future if you wish to rant at me then please turn off the Caps Lock. It is harder to read and makes you look a bit petulant and not the sort of doctor I would wish to consult, whether for medical or theological reasons.
I do not for one minute believe that the change of administration in Redbridge will deter those who are criticising the activities at the community centre that was never intended to be a place of worship.