Score: 17

St George1 Pcgawnmad 8:51am Mon 16 Nov 15

Stop imposing your views on others.

And be more to the point that you don’t like muslims instead of a wishy washy response.

Last edited: 6:19pm Thu 19 Nov 15

Score: 7

Howard Wolowitz St George1 10:31am Mon 16 Nov 15

I had to reread pc’s post to see if I had missed a point that you were objecting to. No all o k,majority of people think this way and only the leftie liberal minded could possibly object or a jihadist.

Score: 8

Pcgawnmad St George1 12:35pm Mon 16 Nov 15

You only seem to crawl out and comment on Islamic and Muslim issues which confirms my point, you do not integrate.

Score: 7

irfanraja99 Pcgawnmad 6:20pm Mon 16 Nov 15

There is an Open Day at WFIA mosque on Sunday 29th November 12-5pm and we would very much like to welcome all to come and ask whatever questions you may have.

Score: 8

Techno3 irfanraja99 12:41pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Will you be catering for atheists who don’t like other people praying over their refreshments without their knowledge?

Score: 2

irfanraja99 Techno3 11:39pm Tue 17 Nov 15

lol, everyone is welcome and we’ll only pray over your refreshments if you put your request in writing

Score: 1

tjm01 8:52am Mon 16 Nov 15

The attacks committed in Paris on Friday must be seen as a declaration of war, not by those who follow the Muslim faith but by those who have been radicalized and are now prepared to commit acts of terrorism, we have allowed hundreds of thousands of refugees to enter Europe and as such have created a Trojan Horse which allows terrorists almost a free passage of entry to commit the kind of attacks we have witnessed in Paris, my fear is those terrorists who pose a threat may already be operating within the U.K, my thoughts and prayers go out to those who have suffered following this cowardly attack

Score: 14

paul.taylor742 9:52am Mon 16 Nov 15

It is good to see the Mosque leaders coming out to condemn the atrocities in Paris, however, I fear it is only an act of self preservation, so more Kitman / Taqiyya (lying to promote Islam).

“We unequivocally condemn this act of terrorism and vehemently oppose any ones attempt at associating this heinous act with the true teachings of Islam.”

The Koran mentions war and killing of Infidels over 130 times, the Paris attackers and Isis are practising Islam just like Muhammad did, back then it was ransacking villages and caravans, killing disbelievers, taking women and children as spoils of war.

“The leaders of mosques in the borough went on to quote the Holy Quran stating to take an innocent life is to ‘kill the whole of humanity’.”

This is the often trotted out line when true believers carry out acts just like Muhammad.

However what is actually presented by apologists is a distorted, out-of-context and misleading paraphrasing of the following verse:

http://wikiislam.net
/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew
_a_Person

To quote one such univerisity Phd qualified Islamic scholar….

“Islam was never a religion of peace, Islam is the religion of fighting…It is the war of Muslims against infidels”…..ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi 14th May 2015.

I will leave you with the quote from Amel Shimoun Nona, Exiled Chaldean Archbishop of Mosul……

“Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims.

Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but this is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed into your home”….

Remember, there are NO churches in Saudi Arabia, and only Muslims can visit Mecca and Medina….

Last edited: 12:42pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Score: 11

Howard Wolowitz paul.taylor742 10:35am Mon 16 Nov 15

Excellent post Paul, shows up the hypocrisy of these religious types whatever their god.

Score: 9

St George1 paul.taylor742 10:48am Mon 16 Nov 15

There are no churches cos there are no christians in KSA, there are plenty of chruches in other muslim countries.

No one can come to UK/Europe without a visa.

Speak some sense.

Score: 6

paul.taylor742 St George1 11:17am Mon 16 Nov 15

Christianity in the Middle East…

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Christiani
ty_in_the_Middle_Eas
t

Innocent Christian minority blown to bits in a targeted attack by a suicide bomber in a Church in Pakistan…

http://www.theguardi
an.com/world/2013/se
p/23/pakistan-church
-bombings-christian-
minority

According to Islam, Infidels have three choices, Convert to Islam, Pay the Jizya (Non believer tax) or Die, usually in the most appalling way possible…

I again quote one such univerisity qualified Islamic scholar….

“Islam was never a religion of peace, Islam is the religion of fighting…It is the war of Muslims against infidels”…..ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi 14th May 2015.

Enough said……

Last edited: 2:41pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Score: 8

St George1 paul.taylor742 12:40pm Mon 16 Nov 15

You’re being selective, there are still churches in muslim countries (morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Oman, Pakisatn, Indonesia, Malysia, Chad, kuwait,etc) that was your issue

With respect Baghdadi is not a scholar.

Score: 4

paul.taylor742 St George1 11:30pm Mon 16 Nov 15

There are no Christians in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? Not even the million+ people, temporarily working there..?

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Christiani
ty_in_Saudi_Arabia

How long will those Churches in other countries be standing , or have a congregation if history / current recent events continue to escalate..?

“No one can come to UK/Europe without a visa”

Really..? Then how was this suicide bomber allowed to enter…?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
3320272/Paris-bomber
-sneaked-Europe-posi
ng-refugee-Greece-ar
rival-given-travel-p
apers-officials-admi
t-damning-expose-EU-
s-open-borders-polic
y.html

Some say Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is an Islamic cleric with a Phd in Islamic Studies, who also sat on the Sharia committee of the Mujahideen Shura Council

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_a
l-Baghdadi

No doubt, in your eyes, I am just being “selective” or “quoting out of context”…..

I disagree, I believe I am speaking sense….

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Score: 3

salmaan100 paul.taylor742 9:09pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Unbelievable. The right slam Muslims for not being more “vocal” in their condemnation of the atrocities that IS commit, and when they do openly condemn such horrific behaviour, the response is that they’re probably chatting a load of b*******? Will you ever give these guys a break?

And with regards to quoting your Islamic knowledge from Abu Bakr al Baghdadi (deary me), why don’t we source all our knowledge on Christianity from the teachings from Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church and our knowledge of German values from Adolf Hitler. YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY HATE WITH HATE.

In times like this humanity should stick together, rather than playing a toxic generalisation game which divides us all – that makes you no better than that murderous scum. What a depressing post to have to reply to

Score: 5

paul.taylor742 salmaan100 12:00am Tue 17 Nov 15

I didn’t write the Big Green Book of Death, it’s been around since the 7th century, Kitman / Taqiyya, death to infidels are all included in the instructions..

http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/quran/
011-taqiyya.htm

Some say Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is an Islamic cleric with a Phd in Islamic Studies, who also sat on the Sharia committee of the Mujahideen Shura Council

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_a
l-Baghdadi

The comparison with ISIS and NAZIS is appropriate, apparently in 1933 only 6% of germans were card carrying members of the Nazi party, apparently only a “small minority” 15%- 25%, of 1.5 billion Muslims support ISIS…..

“In times like this humanity should stick together”

Unfortunately, when you have a 7th century instruction manual that cites “death to the infidel”, “behead those who insult Islam”, “No to democracy” etc, etc, and those views are being imposed with extreme violence, sticking together may become increasingly difficult.

Maybe the time has now come to “hit reset”, and “turn Raqqa into a car park”…

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
3321048/KATIE-HOPKIN
S-Homeland-s-hunky-h
it-man-Peter-Quinn-t
old-leaders-just-don
-t-dare-say-ISIS-Isl
am.html

I am hating no one, but have concerns that the current crop of “leaders” are not up to the job….

Here’s some reasoned proposals….

http://www.iaindale.
com/posts/2015/11/14
/sixteen-things-brit
ain-the-world-must-d
o-to-beat-isis-daesh

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Score: 2

salmaan100 paul.taylor742 2:38pm Tue 17 Nov 15

paul.taylor742 wrote…

I didn’t write the Big Green Book of Death, it’s been around since the 7th century, Kitman / Taqiyya, death to infidels are all included in the instructions..

http://www.thereligi

onofpeace.com/quran/

011-taqiyya.htm

Some say Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is an Islamic cleric with a Phd in Islamic Studies, who also sat on the Sharia committee of the Mujahideen Shura Council

https://en.wikipedia

.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_a

l-Baghdadi

The comparison with ISIS and NAZIS is appropriate, apparently in 1933 only 6% of germans were card carrying members of the Nazi party, apparently only a “small minority” 15%- 25%, of 1.5 billion Muslims support ISIS…..

“In times like this humanity should stick together”

Unfortunately, when you have a 7th century instruction manual that cites “death to the infidel”, “behead those who insult Islam”, “No to democracy” etc, etc, and those views are being imposed with extreme violence, sticking together may become increasingly difficult.

Maybe the time has now come to “hit reset”, and “turn Raqqa into a car park”…

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

3321048/KATIE-HOPKIN

S-Homeland-s-hunky-h

it-man-Peter-Quinn-t

old-leaders-just-don

-t-dare-say-ISIS-Isl

am.html

I am hating no one, but have concerns that the current crop of “leaders” are not up to the job….

Here’s some reasoned proposals….

http://www.iaindale.

com/posts/2015/11/14

/sixteen-things-brit

ain-the-world-must-d

o-to-beat-isis-daesh

So you claim “15-25% of 1.5 billion Muslims support ISIS…”, here’s a quick maths lesson Paul…

25% of 1.5bn is 375m.

If 375m Muslims supported ISIS, me and you wouldn’t be having this conversation at the moment pal.

Again, your very accurate figures…not mine

Secondly, a man who sources his Islamic info from Abu Bakr al Baghdadi and then complements it with advice from KATIE HOPKINS wants to be taken seriously. 2015 ladies and gentlemen.

A very valiant attempt at plucking figures from thin air, I’ll give you that buddy, but maybe spend less time spewing garbage on the comments section and educating yourself – WFIA Open Day that Irfan speaks of might help with that? 😉

Score: 3

infinityx paul.taylor742 7:42pm Tue 17 Nov 15

you are really testing my great british restraint. whatever you may feel or believe you should have the decency, which comes with being an educated positive member of the human race, to not insult others beliefs and their holy books. Its pretty apparent you hate islam full stop, how does this help anyone or anything other than to create disunity in our inclusive multi faith waltham forest community.

Score: 2

Techno3 paul.taylor742 12:42pm Tue 17 Nov 15

There are only eleven people in that photo, and several are skulking at the back trying to hide.

Score: 0

mdj Techno3 1:27pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Let’s hope that a similar number of Muslim women support this statement; perhaps they were too busy to be in the photo.

Score: 0

infinityx mdj 7:49pm Tue 17 Nov 15

yes we do, all muslims in this community condemn what has happened. FYI isis are NOT muslims. Muslims condemn all acts of violence, our religion is about peace, come meet one of us and have your views challenged.

Score: 2

Techno3 infinityx 9:56am Wed 18 Nov 15

I do not believe you.

Score: 0

infinityx Techno3 7:45pm Tue 17 Nov 15

what is your problem? you people are just unbelievable, they are making a stand, if there were a million people in the pic you would still find something to complain about. What have you done, keyboard warrior?

Score: 3

Techno3 infinityx 9:51am Wed 18 Nov 15

That is not a stand. Last night at Wembley was a stand.

Score: 0

infinityx paul.taylor742 7:37pm Tue 17 Nov 15

you guys make a lot of generalisations, the majority of muslims are peace loving people who like nothing better than hanging out with friends and family and watching footie. Seems like you guys have views formed from media manipulation, have you ever had a friendship with a normal muslim? i doubt it because if you did you wouldnt have the views you do. i am a muslim an proud of it, im friends with my neighbours, we have banter, i give them gifts at xmas, my kids play with theirs all fun and games. People who love to hate and descriminate are just plain racist, racist blood flowing through their veins. The vast majority of muslims are just like the average joe, so the women cover their heads and they dont eat pork, is that really so offensive to you guys.I find a lot of the comments on here really upsetting and i could easily f and blind about how ignorant and brazenly racist you people are but im trying to reason with the rational mind. Muslims are part of the british community, weve been here for decades, paying our taxes and abiding by the laws of the land, a handful of nutters claiming to be muslim ,WHICH THEY ARE NOT, commit an outrageous attrocitie which all real muslims condemn and you feel fit to taint us with the same brush, how unbelievably unfair is that?

Score: 2

DaveInTheForest 10:35am Mon 16 Nov 15

The attacks in Paris where by Muslims and inline with their doctrine. Why is it always them? The middle east is a basket case, Turkey is becoming one as it moves more towards a Muslim state.

Score: 11

St George1 DaveInTheForest 10:50am Mon 16 Nov 15

Its because they follow the doctrine of the West who bomb, occupy and kill in the name if democracy.

Score: 4

DaveInTheForest St George1 11:38am Mon 16 Nov 15

BS mate. They kill as it is their doctrine to wipe out all non-believers. The West are bombing them to combat their spread. However, the battle begins at home. No more burkahs, no more halal, no more prayer rooms. The politicians should make it clear – if you live here, you accept OUR rules.

Score: 15

St George1 DaveInTheForest 12:43pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Its the EDL knuckle dragging brigade with their intelligent input.

I won’t let a thieving/lying politician dictate to me what i’m gonna wear.

Score: 3

ASBO Geriatric St George1 10:05am Tue 17 Nov 15

St George1 wrote…

Its the EDL knuckle dragging brigade with their intelligent input.

I won’t let a thieving/lying politician dictate to me what i’m gonna wear.

Are young ladies out partying in the streets of Riyadh and Tehran in short skirts, low cut tops with their new hairdo’s flowing freely in the warm breeze then?

Score: 3

BHcarer DaveInTheForest 2:00pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Agree.
You visit a country you abide by the rules.
The trouble with the UK is the government is far
too accommodating … ammending rules to suit
others creeds and cultures as and when.
Need to get tough and fast.

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Score: 7

tjm01 BHcarer 3:20pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Alas this will never happen and indeed may well be too little too late, we have created a country that allows those who choose to preach hatred to do so and in many instances under the guise of being religious teachings, those radicals who claim to be following the Muslim faith may well be the cause of a third world war which won’t be a result of one country invading another that’s for certain

Score: 7

Pcgawnmad tjm01 7:32pm Mon 16 Nov 15

tjm01 wrote…

Alas this will never happen and indeed may well be too little too late, we have created a country that allows those who choose to preach hatred to do so and in many instances under the guise of being religious teachings, those radicals who claim to be following the Muslim faith may well be the cause of a third world war which won’t be a result of one country invading another that’s for certain

They let hook bloke rant for years until some cop had the balls to nick him.

Score: 3

St George1 BHcarer 5:35pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Everyone abides by the rules, what rules/laws are the muslims not abiding by?

Score: 2

tjm01 St George1 2:33pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Roaming the streets attacking innocent women who they claim are improperly dressed, attacking people who drink alcohol, preaching hatred,persuading Muslim wives(under sharia law) not to report physical, mental, and sexual abuse,grooming young girls to name but a few

Score: 3

Techno3 St George1 11:21am Wed 18 Nov 15

There are many people who have read the Koran and believe what it says. If you have read it and do not believe what it says, then please do let us know which bits in it are not part of Islamic beliefs.

Score: 2

farnaznadeem97 St George1 6:28pm Thu 19 Nov 15

St George1 wrote…

Everyone abides by the rules, what rules/laws are the muslims not abiding by?

Well done george, i am impressed how u have kept ur cool and perservered with the people who showed less understanding

Score: 0

infinityx BHcarer 7:51pm Tue 17 Nov 15

thats part of being multicultural mate, many british expats in arab countries dress how they want to. stop it with the racist views please

Score: 1

Techno3 infinityx 11:23am Wed 18 Nov 15

Asking people to behave in a civilised manner is not racist.

Score: 4

James O’Rourke 3:46pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Such statements must surely be welcomed whatever an ancient holy book says.

I also welcome the Council Leader, Cllr Chris Robbins’ commeration event tonight
(http://www.yellowad
.co.uk/article.cfm?i
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However, one must question why a leading Muslim Councillor and Cabinet member allegedly responsible (and paid an extra£21,000 pa over the basic allowance) for Community Safety and Cohesion remains silent.

Score: 15

tillytrotter James O’Rourke 4:07pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Indeed I agree totally too busy driving in their MERCS and running estate agents. Its a rich mans world !!! there has been no statement for this borough by them because they are too busy lining their own pockets.

Score: 10

NTiratsoo 4:56pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Wouldn’t it be better if, rather than these rather formulaic responses, local politicians, faith groups, etc. from all sides now come together around some positive fundamentals, and work hard to have them accepted throughout the borough?

In the first instance, how about a reaffirmation of (in no particular order)

freedom of religion, including freedom to join or leave religions without fear of retaliation;

the right of people to determine their own sexuality, again without fear of reprisal;

the right of all to play a full role in society, and an abhorrence of all forms of discrimination;

freedom of expression within the law; and

respect for the rules of our democratic system?

That would place clear water between those of good will, on the one hand, and extremists of all kinds, on the other, and lay the basis for a strong and principled alliance going into the future.

Score: 9

Blokie as well NTiratsoo 6:04am Tue 17 Nov 15

You are an idiot…

Score: 0

Techno3 Blokie as well 11:24am Wed 18 Nov 15

It is traditional to say a bit more than that when you think someone is wrong. Such as why you think they are wrong.

Score: 1

myopinioncounts 5:31pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Back in the 1980’s the muslim girls at our nursery school wore brightly coloured Shalwar/Kameez, as did their mothers and grandmothers. Hair was rarely covered even among the older women as this was the custom in the areas of the Indian subcontinent that they originated from. There has been a gradual change and those females began to adopt a far more conservative “Islamic” dress including the niqab and burkha. WHY?

Score: 5

St George1 myopinioncounts 5:34pm Mon 16 Nov 15

They have rediscovered their religious identity.

Score: 1

parkingtrouble myopinioncounts 6:34pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Islamic fundamentalism and reverting back to Islam of the Middles Ages is one of the causes of today’s problems. Add in Islamism where government is based on religion and Sharia law and you have the ideal breeding ground for extremism.
We can all see how things have changed in recent years, more beards, more Shalwar Kameez, more madrassas, more niquabs and burkas, more “community centres” . I am no fan of any religion, least of all the ones that expect kids to learn and recite their special book. Indoctrination and borderline brainwashing, an easy step away from sowing more extreme seeds. Time to stop all this PC nonsense and address the issues. If people want to live in their Sharia paradise go and do it somewhere else please.

Score: 9

infinityx parkingtrouble 7:52pm Tue 17 Nov 15

you guys make a lot of generalisations, the majority of muslims are peace loving people who like nothing better than hanging out with friends and family and watching footie. Seems like you guys have views formed from media manipulation, have you ever had a friendship with a normal muslim? i doubt it because if you did you wouldnt have the views you do. i am a muslim an proud of it, im friends with my neighbours, we have banter, i give them gifts at xmas, my kids play with theirs all fun and games. People who love to hate and descriminate are just plain racist, racist blood flowing through their veins. The vast majority of muslims are just like the average joe, so the women cover their heads and they dont eat pork, is that really so offensive to you guys.I find a lot of the comments on here really upsetting and i could easily f and blind about how ignorant and brazenly racist you people are but im trying to reason with the rational mind. Muslims are part of the british community, weve been here for decades, paying our taxes and abiding by the laws of the land, a handful of nutters claiming to be muslim ,WHICH THEY ARE NOT, commit an outrageous attrocitie which all real muslims condemn and you feel fit to taint us with the same brush, how unbelievably unfair is that?

Score: 2

parkingtrouble infinityx 10:13pm Tue 17 Nov 15

I don’t hate Muslims. I don’t hate anyone. I have worked very closely with Muslims at work. I consider them to be friends. They are lovely peaceful people. They take their religion seriously and that’s fine. I don’t challenge their beliefs, nor the Catholic beliefs of my wife. Women covering their hair is fine, covering their face and body in black clothing is bizarre. I don’t like organised religion of any form. I am an atheist. I believe in evolution. There is no afterlife, no paradise for believers or hellfire for the non-believers. When we die that’s it, our remains are recycled. I don’t believe in fairy stories created in times when events couldn’t be explained. You say these Jihadi’s are not Muslim but they think they are more Muslim than you. The 400 or so that have gone to Syria from the UK are the tip of the iceberg, they come from Muslim families along with few converts. You may disown them but they come from our Muslim population. You say “all muslims in this community condemn what has happened” I don’t believe you can say that with any confidence or authority. Yes, the majority condemn it but there is varying degrees of support and I am sure some will be inspired to join Jihad. It’s not just the terrorism I take exception to, it’s the trend towards fundamentalism, the Islamists wanting their Caliphate and the ancient rivalry of the factions within Islam who kill each other. You may not think I have a rational mind ( I think I do) but I don’t believe people with unshakable belief in fairy stories are likely to be rational either. I prefer to work with plain, incontrovertible, unambiguous facts.

Score: 2

infinityx parkingtrouble 11:01pm Tue 17 Nov 15

You are entitled to your beliefs and i respect that. Evolution is a theory,thats your belief and it would be disrespectful for me to belittle it in any way just as it is disrespectful for you to call the beliefs of over 1.5 billion muslims “fairytale”. I understand how women covering their bodies and face etc may seem alien to you but bottom line is its their choice, these are not things which should disunite us as fellow humans. People since the beginning of time have used religion and taken it out of context to further their aims, the jihadis you see on the news are not what islam is about. Have you asked youself why people are becoming fanatical or being radicalised? Where did isis spring from? im not a political commentator im just a normal working class average joe so im going to say it how i see it. Muslims are angry at the injustice taking place all over the muslim world, the double standards of the west and unfair foreign policy. It is easy to manipulate people when they feel like their voices are not being heard. Violence only breeds violence. Did you know that a day before the diabolical attack in paris there was also an attack in beirut by isis claiming many muslim lives and a week earlier a similar attack in nigeria? I didnt see a public outcry in the national press relating to those events. All lives matter, it is exactly this type of double standards that fuels the extremists/fanatics or whatever else you want to call them.This grievance does not justify terrorism. If a family member of yours was to commit a crime would that makeyou complicit too? Or if a Darwinian commited a crime in the name of evolution as a fellow evolutionist would you have to accept a degree of responsibility? Isis is not islam and the average muslim is just as much a victim of isis as anyone else. I believe you do have a rational mind, my unshakeable belief does not mean i dont have a rational mind.

Score: 1

parkingtrouble infinityx 10:20pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Have you asked yourself why people are becoming fanatical or being radicalised? Yes. To want to go and kill people I suspect they have been brainwashed by clever, manipulative, evil extremists. Blamed to some extent on warmongering western politicians like Bush and Blair who think removing evil dictators can lead to stable democracy. Where did isis spring from? Not in Waltham Forest. I don’t think that is truly known but CBS reckon 12 of the leaders were in Camp Bucca in Iraq and that’s where they think it started. The war in Iraq opened up pandora’s box when the control Saddam had on the many factions was lost. Did you know that a day before the diabolical attack in paris there was also an attack in beirut by isis claiming many muslim lives and a week earlier a similar attack in nigeria? No, not until mentioned on the news post-Paris. I don’t read newspapers these days. ISIS seem to want to murder anyone. if you are making a point about them killing Muslims then that is nothing unusual. Iran and Iraq managed to to kill at least 500,000 in their war.
Anyway Paris is in our backyard and bound to make the headlines.If a family member of yours was to commit a crime would that make you complicit too? No, but I would be agonising about whether I could have spotted something was wrong and done something about it. Or if a Darwinian commited a crime in the name of evolution as a fellow evolutionist would you have to accept a degree of responsibility? Well I don’t go to Darwinian Church and mix with fellow Darwinians, but in the unlikely event a fellow Darwinian started murdering innocent people with an AK47 and explosives I would be the first to take to the streets in protest. It seems a typical response of Muslims to get very defensive about any challenge to their faith, e.g. it’s belittling and disrespectful. The fear of offending people in our tolerant, relatively safe and caring society has led to us not nipping certain issues in the bud. Islam started with someone having a conversation with an angel. That’s a fairy story or myth because (I am sorry to tell you) angels don’t exist. Christianity has the same flaws but Christians don’t get so offended when someone disagrees with them, at least not in modern times.

Last edited: 10:53pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Score: 1

paul.taylor742 parkingtrouble 10:55pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Good post…Fairy stories, Talking ants and Jinns, fairy stories indeed..

Score: 0

infinityx myopinioncounts 7:56pm Tue 17 Nov 15

can i just ask why you find it so offensive if people take on a more conservative dress sense? it is a freedom of expression just as choosing to be a goth is or choosing to wear a mini skirt. Please stop viewing islam and muslims as a threat. We are just like you guys minus pork and alcohol! you get where im coming from right? talk to one of us and you will see theres nothing sinister:) peace

Score: 2

Pcgawnmad 5:45pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Seems to me Muslims embarrassed to publically condemn their fellow Muslim”s atrocious behaviour. If they had a march up town this weekend in their thousands in protest id believe they were serious but they will not.

Score: 7

infinityx Pcgawnmad 10:04pm Tue 17 Nov 15

isis are not our fellow muslims,just as the kkk are not the average white mans fellow men. isis is not islam. please take the time to meet an average muslim and see what we are really like, you might be pleasantly surprised to find that we are not too dissimilar to your good self. peace.

Score: 2

Techno3 Pcgawnmad 11:28am Wed 18 Nov 15

They are not serious.

Score: 0

irfanraja99 6:16pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Paul, I don’t respond to ignorant people full of hate but this reply is for those sensible ones visiting.
The actual quoted Quranic verse is addressing the children of Israel so that answers the first lie of “only Muslims”. Secondly, all Muslim scholars agree this applies to all humans, regardless of belief.
The life of Muhammad was exemplary and any one serious about learning the truth should look in to it – this forum is not the place for study.
There is an Open Day at WFIA mosque on Sunday 29th November 12-5pm and we would very much like to welcome all (yes even you Paul) to come and ask whatever questions you may have.
Final point: quoting a terrorist like Baghdadi as a scholar is just plain ridiculous

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parkingtrouble irfanraja99 6:56pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Exemplary in the the eyes of a devout Muslim perhaps but not necessarily in the eyes of modern Western society.

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paul.taylor742 7:15pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Yet more Kitman / Taqiyya

We have the internet now……

“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

Where in the Koran is this actually printed..? Answer, it is NOT…
What is actually presented by apologists is a distorted, out-of-context and misleading paraphrasing of the following verse:

http://wikiislam.net
/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew
_a_Person

Muhammad was a 7th century illiterate Arab Bedouin paedophile “prophet”, warlord, who along with his followers, raped, robbed and pillaged all across the Middle East who at 52yrs also married his favourite child bride Aisha, age 6yrs and consumated the marriage when she was 9yrs, not sure that counts as “exemplary” behaviour.

Some say Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is an Islamic cleric with a Phd in Islamic Studies, who also sat on the Sharia committee of the Mujahideen Shura Council

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_a
l-Baghdadi

Think I will pass on an invite to learn more about the followers of the “Big Book of Death”, as from what I have seen, when practicing Islam exactly like the “prophet” Muhammad, Islam is not at all peaceful, and the expansion of the caliphate and spreading Islam at the point of the sword / AK47 is the ultimate goal.

http://wikiislam.net
/wiki/Dar_al-Harb

Islam…..Muhammad “war is deceit”

“He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar”.

http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/quran/
011-taqiyya.htm

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Howard Wolowitz paul.taylor742 7:26pm Mon 16 Nov 15

So who is correct here? Paul who backs up his argument with reference or Irfan who comes out fighting by attempting to rubbish his opponents with derogatory remarks. I applaud people with faith, but do not use it to defend the indefensible.

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Pcgawnmad Howard Wolowitz 8:16pm Mon 16 Nov 15

That girl who won the cake making show, put on by the anti-UK champagne socialist BBC. I never watched it but hard to escape, in every newspaper, magazine, tv prog since. One thing which stood out was that she wore the sinister dark head covering when on the cake prog but in much softer colours reds and so on since winning, I wonder why?

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salmaan100 Pcgawnmad 9:14pm Mon 16 Nov 15

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

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St George1 Pcgawnmad 9:43pm Mon 16 Nov 15

You missed your medication again??

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Howard Wolowitz Pcgawnmad 10:27pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Pc we are attempting to have a serious chat here. If you do not feel up to it maybe an early night is in order.

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Pcgawnmad Howard Wolowitz 11:01pm Mon 16 Nov 15

I am serious, why is she wearing bright colours now and why does her husband wear casual ‘normal’ clothes whilst dressing her in a hood?

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irfanraja99 paul.taylor742 11:32pm Mon 16 Nov 15

Paul, would it be fair if i took my knowledge of christianity from the KKK?
Salman made the same point, you can’t expect to learn about anything from the opponents or enemies of that same thing. At least hear the other side of the story.
I’m not sure if you realise but the wikiislam pages you are quoting from are not writen by Muslims and are only out to demonise Islam. It is easy to pull apart the argumentation in there and like i said i would welcome you to the Mosque to discuss in a civilised manner.
There’s no issue of Taqiyya (which actually relates to lying to save ones life). I love my faith and am proud of it and have nothing to hide.There will always be differences of opinion, as civilised human beings we should be able to respectfully disagree.
Dialogue is the only way forward, we are one humankind, and if we close our minds and hearts then we really are doomed. Our doors are always open to everyone and i sincerely hope to see you all at the open day.

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paul.taylor742 irfanraja99 12:33am Tue 17 Nov 15

As far as I can see, the “KKK” with their current 5000 – 8000 members in the USA are nothing, literally nothing, compared to the all conquering 7th century Islamic death cult that is currently of concern to world leaders.

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Kl
an

Islam is responsible for in excess of 290 million+ deaths worldwide since it’s inception, and the body count continues to rise daily.

Religious, Indoctrinated brain washed individuals are programmed to put their “religion” first, above friends, family, loved ones etc, etc.

An old Jesuit boast, ‘Give me the child for his first seven years, and I’ll give you the man,’

Brainwashed individuals will carry out atrocities in the name of their “religion”, citing their “faith” and pointing to an instruction manual to justify their actions.

“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion”….Steven Weinberg

It needs to stop….

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parkingtrouble irfanraja99 8:19am Tue 17 Nov 15

Dialogue is only useful if people are prepared to move from an intransigent standpoint. A devout Muslim is not going to move away from the doctrine that they have been fed from a very young age. The same applies to the majority of religions which have varying degrees of indoctrination. Personally I switch off when an ancient story starts with the main character’s encounter with an angel. Angels only exist in fairy stories. I had a Muslim student stay with our family for few weeks some years back. He had an unshakable, fanatical belief and couldn’t understand the world of a non-believer. Amusing and incredulous at the time but on reflection it is that sort of myopic fanaticism that leads people down the wrong path.

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infinityx parkingtrouble 10:13pm Tue 17 Nov 15

dialogue is always useful, it allows people to express their views and gives people a chance to become educated about issuues. Dialogue does not come with the condition that one must change his or her views, people are free to form their own opinions but with dialogue these opinions are more likely to be unbiased. In a modern civilised society people should be allowed to have their views and opinions whilst being mindfull and respectful of others beliefs and opinions. Respect for all is key, and this is what islam teaches.peace.

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escapefrome17 8:43pm Mon 16 Nov 15

That has to be the most idiotic comment I have ever read…..ever!

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Arsenal red 9:59pm Mon 16 Nov 15

St George if you want to be taken seriously you can’t just say that you are completely right ALL the time . Theres good and bad in everyone not ALL one side .
you really show your true colours only your ideas and your way !
wonder where you got your doctrine from

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St George1 Arsenal red 1:07pm Tue 17 Nov 15

You’re welcome express your views.

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SebZi 9:51am Tue 17 Nov 15

Paul, the ISIS ratbags class anyone that does not believe in their extremist ideology as infidels – so 99.9999% of the muslim world are infidels according to them. This is why they slaughter innocent muslims and non-muslims alike – in fact more muslims than any other group.

Your crusade against the same muslims, that ISIS say are infidels, is bit of a double-whammy. If muslims speak out – they’re lying. If they don’t, they must be supporters. I’m not sure which way muslims should turn. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

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infinityx 7:32pm Tue 17 Nov 15

you guys make a lot of generalisations, the majority of muslims are peace loving people who like nothing better than hanging out with friends and family and watching footie. Seems like you guys have views formed from media manipulation, have you ever had a friendship with a normal muslim? i doubt it because if you did you wouldnt have the views you do. i am a muslim an proud of it, im friends with my neighbours, we have banter, i give them gifts at xmas, my kids play with theirs all fun and games. People who love to hate and descriminate are just plain racist, racist blood flowing through their veins. The vast majority of muslims are just like the average joe, so the women cover their heads and they dont eat pork, is that really so offensive to you guys.I find a lot of the comments on here really upsetting and i could easily f and blind about how ignorant and brazenly racist you people are but im trying to reason with the rational mind. Muslims are part of the british community, weve been here for decades, paying our taxes and abiding by the laws of the land, a handful of nutters claiming to be muslim ,WHICH THEY ARE NOT, commit an outrageous attrocitie which all real muslims condemn and you feel fit to taint us with the same brush, how unbelievably unfair is that?

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paul.taylor742 9:30pm Tue 17 Nov 15

“Racist” they shout…

Please tell me, what race Islam belongs to?

It is NOT a race, it is an ideology, and one that can be converted to, but you can never leave….(apostacy) and any ideology that has enslaved, subjugated and caused as much misery as Islam has, deserves to be challenged.

Intolerant ideologies cannot be tolerated, especially in the modern time, when fundamentalists and brain washed young men have access to modern weaponry, such as AK47 assault rifles.

It would appear the gig is up for the “Religion of Peace” hustlers…

http://www.express.c
o.uk/news/politics/6
19912/David-Cameron-
Islam-Muslim-religio
n-peace-Paris-terror
-attacks

There may be another way, step forward one very brave young man….

http://www.thesun.co
.uk/sol/homepage/new
s/6747287/After-Pari
s-its-time-for-a-new
-version-of-Islam.ht
ml

However, given how intolerant the “Religion of Peace” is, I suspect the young man above will be put on some Islamic death list and marked for life…..

As Sam Harris states…

“The problem isn’t fundamentalism. The problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam”

http://bible-quran.c
om/the-only-problem-
with-islamic-fundame
ntalism/

UPDATE..
It would appear this convert to Christianity got off lightly when two “Religion of Peace” merchants set about him with pick axe handles, shattering his knee cap and breaking his hand.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/l
aw-and-order/1200585
9/Bradford-father-li
ving-in-fear-after-c
onverting-from-Islam
-to-Christianity.htm
l

I say “got of lightly”, as anyone who has read the big book of death, knows the punishment for apostacy is…..Wait for it…..Death!

http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/quran/
012-apostasy.htm

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infinityx paul.taylor742 9:47pm Tue 17 Nov 15

yes we get it you hate islam, nothing more i can say. Its evident you have researched all sides of the argument (not) and come to your islamaphobic opinions. You just want to spread hate, im inviting you to come and talk with me in person, have your islamaphobic views challenged, you may learn something and i may too. Come along to the open day at Leabridge rd mosque. peace to all.

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Howard Wolowitz infinityx 7:43am Wed 18 Nov 15

I do not believe Paul is an islamaphobe, merely a messenger giving the facts. You are unable to accept that these Muslims are following their version of Islam.

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salmaan100 Howard Wolowitz 8:31pm Wed 18 Nov 15

“Merely a messenger giving the facts”

Paul claims in an earlier post (scroll up to see intelligence in its finest form) that 25% of Muslims support ISIS.

That equates to 375m.

Facts are things that can be proven to be true. Not something you want to believe. But please, don’t let a silly old poster on WF Guardian with some common sense stop you from following your messenger Paul 🙂 have a good day

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paul.taylor742 salmaan100 10:23am Thu 19 Nov 15

Ok, you got me..

No one supports ISIS, no one is financing ISIS, they mean the west and western Infidels no harm, there is no caliphate, and Islamic expansion is not on the cards, ISIS practice peace and love to all and do not quote Islamic texts to justify their actions.

If I were able to sit down with the now deseased Mohammed Emwazi, he would mean me no harm, and offer me tea and cake, and explain that he misunderstood the big book of death, talking ants, jinns and taqiyya and he was sorry…

In fact ISIS and their supporters, do not exist, anywhere, ever, and Islam is a Religion of Peace..

The 290million+ victims of Islamoloons are all fictional, world leaders are not concerned about the spread and support for ISIS, or any muslim communities living within their western countries and the raids currently being carried out by the security services across world are a figment of my imagination.

Buildings bombed, planes dropping out of the sky, or flying into tall buildings, bus bombings, tube bombings, innocents massacred, gays thrown from buildings, women and apostates stoned, lands conquered, women and children sold as spoils of war, and all in the name of some fictional man made fairy story…

It’s all ok, I saw my doctor. Dr Khan convinced me Islam is a religion of peace, he even told me “Jihadi John”, was some figment of my imagination, that the western propaganda on the tv and radio is all a misrepresentation of Islam and to take the nice pills he prescribed….

I am going to lie down in a darkened room, and when / if I wake up, all this will have been a dream….I apologise unreservedly for living in some alternative universe, and will hopefully get better soon….

(Extreme Sarcasm)

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Howard Wolowitz salmaan100 1:11pm Thu 19 Nov 15

You are in denial salmaan, that is the worry.

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G_Whiz 1:56pm Wed 18 Nov 15

All this trouble over a load of fairy stories!

Still it will keep the newspages full for ever! A cycle of murder, moaning and blame…….. for ever!

What a future to look foward to?

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paul.taylor742 9:25am Sat 21 Nov 15

For centuries, Islam and Christianity were locked in a brutal conflict most have forgotten..

The House of Islam versus a Christian House of War…

Muslims began to conceive of the world as divided between the House of Islam and a Christian ‘House of War’, sinister in its disbelief, obdurate in its defiance of the message of the Holy Koran. Sayings became attributed to Muhammad which cast warfare in the cause of the Muslim God as a duty of the Faithful, such as: ‘I was ordered to fight all men until they say, ‘There is no god but Allah.’ ‘

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
3328005/Shadow-blood
y-past-centuries-Isl
am-Christianity-lock
ed-brutal-conflict-f
orgotten-horror-hist
orian-argues-jihadis
-s-real-today-Middle
-Ages.html

The war and take over of infidel lands continues to this day, with deception Kitman / Taqiyya being used to build more mosques, community centres, and cemetaries with prayer facilities with the AK47 assault rifle now subtituting the sword.

It would appear, those on the left, Islamic appeasers, and our current crop of “leaders” are in need of the history lesson….

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Iftikhar_Ahmad 3:34pm Sun 22 Nov 15

There will never be an end to extremism and terrorism as long as Muslim children are educated in non-Muslim schools with non-Muslim teachers. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

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Howard Wolowitz Iftikhar_Ahmad 4:38pm Sun 22 Nov 15

Choke splutter wtf?
Ever heard of integration chum?

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Iftikhar_Ahmad Howard Wolowitz 2:14pm Mon 23 Nov 15

What does integrating mean? Muslims are not embracing western life’. What do we do? In our free time us English go down the pubs and get smashed, do the same in clubs, sleep with random people and as a result have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe. Can anybody please tell me what integration means? other then speak English!!! The Jews did their best to integrate in Germany. They even took German names! Look how far it got them. If the Muslims try to integrate, the Germans/British will complain about the ‘pollution’ of their identity once again. I wonder how many English people were saying “Multi-Culturalism does not work” when they were busy invading and taking over other people’s countries!? India, the Africa, the Americas, Australia, to name but a few. I wonder how many English people are saying “Multi Culturalism does not work” when they are busy sunning themselves in the south of Spain, speaking only English, eating in English restaurants, drinking in English bars, and complaining that not all Spaniards speak English!? Monkey see? Monkey do? And what is English culture, anyhow!? Our football teams are full of foreign players and some are owned by foreign owners, Christian Church attendance has dwindled, we love our curries (influenced by Indian food), we holiday abroad often…so I really would like somebody to define to me what is English culture, these days. If you mean by integration going down to the pub with the lads, getting drunk, picking up a few girls, and then on Sunday maybe going to church – then I’m sure that Muslims will not integrate.

Muslim schools ‘must respect British values’ says Jack Straw. Schools with large numbers of Muslim pupils must respect British values, former home secretary Jack Straw said.

The same Jack Straw who said English nationalism should be feared and suppressed! Muslims have a ‘duty’ to promote Islamic values, it says so in the Quran.

‘Alongside values which are religiously based, there has to understanding that this is the UK and there is a set of values – some of which I would say are Christian based – which permeate our sense of citizenship.’

Segregating boys and girls at school was not acceptable if done ‘as a matter of policy’, Mr Straw said during an interview on BBC Radio Four’s Today programme.

He went on: ‘There is a real distinction between people who are devout and a very small minority who are extremist and verging into militant extremism and to justifying violence.

‘What isn’t acceptable – and this affects only a tiny minority, but we’ve got to spell it out to them – are those who proselytise Islam in an exclusive way and claim that those who are not of the Muslim faith are infidel and have fewer rights, and argue that women are inferior and ought to have fewer chances in society than men.’

The warnings came as Sir Michael Wilshaw, the head of Ofsted, took charge of the watchdog’s probe into the so-called Trojan Horse plot to oust heads and governors and run schools according to strict Islamic principles. Another inquiry is being conducted by former anti-terrorism police chief Peter Clarke, who was appointed by Education Secretary Michael Gove.

At least five Birmingham schools face being put into special measures, while a sixth has already been failed. Tahir Alam, the plot’s alleged ringleader, denies involvement.

Talha Ahmad, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: ‘[Mr Straw] talks about accepting that Britain has a set of values. I don’t know of any decent Muslim who would disagree with that.’

To the people who are saying they checked Park Views website and the pupils are taught Arabic and Urdu in all years, it’s rubbish my son goes there and has never done Arabic and Urdu he does French, it’s up to each pupil to chose a language in their options, and NO they are not been forced to learn Arabic and Urdu, nor are the girls forced to wear a scarf if you go there you will see plenty of girls with no scarf again it’s up to each individual.

What is required is more state funded Islamic schools to enable Muslim children to be educated in accordance with their religion in the same way that Episcopalian and Catholic children are. There is no room in our multi-cultural nation for discrimination against any religion or race.

Straw says Muslims must accept British values. Does this include, Mr Straw, the high divorce rate, the high abortion rate, high levels of out of wedlock birth rates, which often mean undeserved benefits for these unmarried mothers? Are these the values to be accepted Mr Straw? I THINK NOT!!! What British values? Corruption, lying and stealing by MPs, paedophilia and cover-ups. I am ashamed of this country and ashamed to be British! I don’t remember Straw and his lot respecting British values…..
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

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parkingtrouble Iftikhar_Ahmad 5:02pm Sun 22 Nov 15

This is not a Muslim country (yet).

I have no problem with whatever religion or beliefs people want to follow but I want to preserve British culture and values at the heart of our society.

Not everyone’s cup of tea of course as it is not perfect but is the culture and values that my grandfathers generation fought and died for in two world wars. It would be a shame if it all slips away into a big melting pot, or worse still got dominated by some other foreign culture.

Everyone needs to follow a common educational curriculum. By all means have a Muslim or Catholic or Jewish assembly and prayers, but everyone gets the same education. Not a warped racist view of the world.

Clearly integration has failed in this country in recent times so time to stop the PC nonsense and **** footing around minorities. You should either be integrated and welcome, or out and live somewhere that meets your ideological expectations.

Too many people like our tolerant welfare state but secretly and insidiously want to change it.

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Iftikhar_Ahmad parkingtrouble 2:12pm Mon 23 Nov 15

It is easy to say” Go back to where you came from”, but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

Islamic extremism and Washington’s extremism is not really that different in their goals of domination. I am more concerned about being shot by a cop in my own house than being shot or blown up by a Muslim also.

The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

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parkingtrouble Iftikhar_Ahmad 3:59pm Mon 23 Nov 15

No doubt the West has played a big part in antagonising extremists.

Being bilingual, or multilingual is indeed an admirable asset if it is used to engage other culture rather than promoting insularity.

Communism lived on? Did the the removal of the Berlin Wall and break up of Eastern Europe and the Balkans pass you by?

Strange how the western education system is to blame for Muslim grooming gangs and Jihadis but it hasn’t corrupted any Christian, Mormon, Jewish or Buddhist, etc. communities in the same way.

What you really seem to want is absolute control on your community’s thoughts and clearly want to feed them with a fear of everything western.
I really do wonder what attracts you to stay in a civilised, tolerant country that appears to have so many problems unless of course there is a grand plan to make us part of the Caliphate.

Certain British values have slipped in my lifetime. I can think of a few reasons and nothing to do with religion or immigration.

You really do yourself and your community no favours with your bigotry and racism.

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parkingtrouble 5:28pm Sun 22 Nov 15

I hope to have time to visit WFIA on 29th. I have lots of questions.

First one is why don’t the WFIA represent all mosques/centres in the borough?

Second is why are there so many different flavours of Islam and why don’t they all work in peace and harmony?

Third is why some mosques are men only, why aren’t women allowed to worship?

So many more questions, not enough time to write them all down.

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ASBO Geriatric Pcgawnmad 10:18am Tue 17 Nov 15

Unfortunately even a significant number of moderate Muslims would go along with extreme Islamists ‘punishing’ those who mock the prophet, peace be upon him of course though

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Pcgawnmad ASBO Geriatric 3:25pm Tue 17 Nov 15

They would never march against the acts of the terrorists as it would be deemed ‘unislamic’ and those participating would have their cards marked for certain.

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infinityx ASBO Geriatric 9:39pm Tue 17 Nov 15

how can you speak for “a significant number of moderate muslims”? have you asked a significant number personally? as muslims we revere our prophet just as people of other faiths rightly revere theirs. freedom of speece should not mean freedom to offend and hurt. We moderate muslims live in peace with everyone in our society. Why dont you come to the open day at Leabridge rd mosque and see what the muslims are really about? ask anything you want, open your mind to the posibility that not everything is as the media portrays. peace.

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Techno3 Pcgawnmad 2:48pm Tue 17 Nov 15

I am fed up with Muslims marching about in our borough as if they are something special.How about they just go shopping, spend some time with their families, have a few laughs with their mates, watch some football on the telly and just chill out?

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salmaan100 Techno3 3:07pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Techno3 wrote…

I am fed up with Muslims marching about in our borough as if they are something special.How about they just go shopping, spend some time with their families, have a few laughs with their mates, watch some football on the telly and just chill out?

The man is just condemning the horrific scenes we saw on Friday…are you feeling ok?

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infinityx Techno3 9:24pm Tue 17 Nov 15

you guys make a lot of generalisations, the majority of muslims are peace loving people who like nothing better than hanging out with friends and family and watching footie. Seems like you guys have views formed from media manipulation, have you ever had a friendship with a normal muslim? i doubt it because if you did you wouldnt have the views you do. i am a muslim an proud of it, im friends with my neighbours, we have banter, i give them gifts at xmas, my kids play with theirs all fun and games. People who love to hate and descriminate are just plain racist, racist blood flowing through their veins. The vast majority of muslims are just like the average joe, so the women cover their heads and they dont eat pork, is that really so offensive to you guys.I find a lot of the comments on here really upsetting and i could easily f and blind about how ignorant and brazenly racist you people are but im trying to reasin with the rational mind. Muslims are part of the british community, weve been hare for decades, paying our taxes and abiding by the laws of the land, a handful of nutters claiming to be muslim ,WHICH THEY ARE NOT, commit an outrageous attrocitie which all real muslims condemn and you feel fit to taint us with the same brush, how unbelievably unfair is that?

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Techno3 infinityx 11:51pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Interesting comment. I believe psychologists call this sort of thing’projection’. Sorry for the late reply. I spent the evening discussing business, eating fish and chips with my (Muslim) neighbour Tariq and then watched France lose 2-0 at Wembley. A much better use of my and his time than any self-conscious pompous or tokenistic gestures.

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tjm01 11:27am Tue 17 Nov 15

Why has it taken Yusuf Hansa, Chairman of Noor Ul Islam four days to comment? and being deeply upset and then upset turning to disgust are definitely not the words I would use to describe the feelings of millions of people worldwide

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St George1 tjm01 1:02pm Tue 17 Nov 15

It seems you are never happy with anything.

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tjm01 St George1 2:36pm Tue 17 Nov 15

W.T.F ????????????????????
???????

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salmaan100 tjm01 2:44pm Tue 17 Nov 15

tjm01 wrote…

Why has it taken Yusuf Hansa, Chairman of Noor Ul Islam four days to comment? and being deeply upset and then upset turning to disgust are definitely not the words I would use to describe the feelings of millions of people worldwide

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

What is wrong with Mr. Hansa’s words either? I felt deeply upset on Friday evening and then a sense of disgust after IS claimed responsibility on Friday also. Don’t hide your agenda with nit picking.

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tjm01 salmaan100 6:24pm Tue 17 Nov 15

I don’t have an agenda to hide, I just think that as Mr Hansa holds an elevated position within the Muslim community, this may have been the perfect opportunity to perhaps strongly condemn those who in the name of Muslims have perpetrated the atrocities the world witnessed on Friday, it is quite clear that I and millions of others around the world appear more than merely upset and disgusted by the cowardly murder of innocent people in the name of the Muslim faith

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infinityx tjm01 9:30pm Tue 17 Nov 15

people who want to find fault will do regardless of what people do. What are your feelings on the people who were killed at the hands of isis in beirut and nigeria? i dont see any condemnation or a pic of you holding up any plackards ? all lives matter, isis is not islam, isis are not muslims #pray for paris #pray for beirut #pray for nigeria #pray for syria. More muslims are being killed by isis than anyone else #pray for peace

Score: 1

tjm01 infinityx 6:33am Wed 18 Nov 15

This article is about Mr Hansa’s comments following the outrageous attacks in Paris on Friday night, I am well aware of the outrageous acts of slaughter being committed by Isis in both Nigeria and Beirut where thousands of Muslims are being put to death, again in the name of the Muslim faith, this must therefore reinforce my point that maybe Mr Hansa has missed an opportunity to strongly condemn the actions of those who claim to follow the Muslim faith whilst supporting Isis, the very same people who were behind the Paris atrocities the world witnessed on Friday night

As for placard waving I’ll leave that to those who in doing so think it really makes a difference

Score: 0

Debbie2312 12:05pm Tue 17 Nov 15

I notice faizan e islam who now own the Waltham Oak are very quiet. The place looks an absolute dump. Having to look at what they have done to this fine building each day makes me sick. Leaders are only speaking out now because they fear reprisals, I don’t think it is genuine. It is sad to say that this religion causes carnage wherever they go. You have too many factions interpreting the Koran in so many different ways, each believing their version is the right one. Making peace amongst yourselves would be a good start to world peace, after all you have got to start somewhere. What does killing innocent people achieve.

Score: 7

St George1 Debbie2312 1:01pm Tue 17 Nov 15

How about colonialism? The World Wars? Invading and occupying in the name of democracy? Were they perperated by the same religion?

Score: 1

Pcgawnmad St George1 3:23pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Tool

Score: 2

ASBO Geriatric St George1 6:52pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Colonial power two centuries ago or powers with colonial aspirations right now in the present day flower?

Don’t mention Saudi and/or Iran trying to colonise Iraq and Syria at this very moment in time eh.

As for two world wars……..the last time I looked the first one was started by Serbian nationalist dissent toward the Austro Hungarian dynasty and dinlow Wilhelm sticking his oar in on behalf of Germany though he bleated “Ich habe es nicht gewollt” after they got larruped.

And the second was probably even more straight forward than the first but I am guessing that you seeing 70,000 Polish football casuals marching through their capital on their Independence Day chanting “no to refugees, no to Islam” encouraged you to fall in line behind Adolf’s foreign policies of the day. Thus making our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland wrong for declaring war on him for doing so, how predictable.

Now pipe down you repugnant bigoted little man, thank you

Last edited: 3:11pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Score: 3

Ahmed the T Debbie2312 4:15pm Wed 18 Nov 15

“The Muslim World”..! is there a single Muslim country thats: A) Not slaughtering each other (for centuries); or B) Respects basic human rights?
But it is ALWAYS the fault of the Non-Muslims…… The religion cannot be questioned…at all…the arrogance and duplicity of Islam is stunning.

Score: 2

Arsenal red 6:36pm Tue 17 Nov 15

All countries have colonised we were slaves to the Romans but do we constantly go on about it NO
WW1& WW2 were world wars where all religions fought against oppression .should we have not fought against Hitler he would have killed all the Muslims we would Never have allowed this

Score: 4

paul.taylor742 9:33pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Careful, or the usual suspects will shout “Racist”

One needs to ask the question, what race Islam belongs to?

Islam is NOT a race, it is an ideology, and one that can be converted to, but you can never leave….(apostacy) and any ideology that has enslaved, subjugated and caused as much misery as Islam has, deserves to be challenged.

Intolerant ideologies cannot be tolerated, especially in the modern time, when fundamentalists and brain washed young men have access to modern weaponry, such as AK47 assault rifles.

It would appear the gig is up for the “Religion of Peace” hustlers…

http://www.express.c
o.uk/news/politics/6
19912/David-Cameron-
Islam-Muslim-religio
n-peace-Paris-terror
-attacks

There may be another way, step forward one very brave young man….

http://www.thesun.co
.uk/sol/homepage/new
s/6747287/After-Pari
s-its-time-for-a-new
-version-of-Islam.ht
ml

However, given how intolerant the “Religion of Peace” is, I suspect the young man above will be put on some Islamic death list and marked for life…..

As Sam Harris states…

“The problem isn’t fundamentalism. The problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam”

http://bible-quran.c
om/the-only-problem-
with-islamic-fundame
ntalism/

Score: 2

infinityx paul.taylor742 11:13pm Tue 17 Nov 15

islamaphobe

Score: 1

paul.taylor742 infinityx 9:01am Wed 18 Nov 15

Throwing about insults such as “Racist” or “Islamophobe” will not silence the debate.

Islam has a problem with fundamentalism, with the fundamentalists pointing to “religious” texts to justify their actions, this needs to be resolved.

Score: 2

infinityx paul.taylor742 11:17pm Tue 17 Nov 15

Despite your vehement islamaphobic attacks against a religion followed by over 1.6 billion people i am still willing to talk to you face to face. Come meet me at the open day at Lea Bridge rd mosque, we are one humankind and we can learn from each other. Peace to you paul

Score: 1

infinityx paul.taylor742 11:20pm Tue 17 Nov 15

come on paul i feel a friendship brewing here #pray for peace

Score: 1

paul.taylor742 9:07am Wed 18 Nov 15

While those who support Islam, lefty appeasers and apologists, throw around insults such as “Racist” or their favourite made up word “Islamophobe” in an attempt to silence the debate, Islam continues to show it true colours.

The boo’s and chants from the Turkish fans of “Allah hu Ackbar” during the minutes silence for the victims of the Paris massacre tells you all you need to know….

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/article-3322708/Tu
rkey-supporters-boo-
minute-s-silence-vic
tims-Paris-attacks-p
rior-team-s-friendly
-against-Greece-Ista
nbul.html

I will leave you with the quote from Amel Shimoun Nona, Exiled Chaldean Archbishop of Mosul……

“Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims.

Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but this is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed into your home”….

Yet our “leaders” want to fast track Turkey into th EU….

Last edited: 11:13am Wed 18 Nov 15

Score: 2

tjm01 paul.taylor742 9:32am Wed 18 Nov 15

Appalling behavior, if we are to believe the points raised by infinityx this has to be the actions of a few idiotic morons,and not a representation of those Muslims who support the ideology of Islam

Score: 0

Techno3 tjm01 11:15am Wed 18 Nov 15

If they lie to you, just tell them you do not believe them. You owe nothing to people who insult your intelligence.

Score: 2

salmaan100 Techno3 8:22pm Wed 18 Nov 15

“You owe nothing to people who insult your intelligence”

Oh the irony.

Coming from the individual who is backing paul.taylor742, a man who claimed in a post on the previous article that 25% of Muslims (375m people…) support ISIS, one he conveniently hasn’t responded to since I called him up on it? Not so fun when you can’t pluck propaganda fuelling figures out the air eh Paul old pal?

For individuals who post like they are so knowledgeable on worldly matters, you really all are living under a rock if you can’t see the millions of Muslims condemning the murderous ISIS scum (or having selective amnesia?).

When Muslims do condemn such horrific acts. you have buffoons such as techno3 calling it, and I quote (scroll up to see for yourself) “self conscious pompous tokenistic (sic, how ironic…)gestures” and if they don’t, it’s Islam ‘condoning’ ISIS, not being vocal enough etc etc.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see through your awfully transparent agenda. You slam ISIS yet peddle hate and look to create division exactly like they do? What sad, sad lives you lead.

Score: 1

paul.taylor742 salmaan100 9:40pm Wed 18 Nov 15

I believe the figure I quoted was 15%-25%..of 1.5 billion muslims.you have picked the 25% figure, then stated 1.6 billion, who is being selective now…?

Just because a large number of people choose to believe in a man made fairy story, (Talking Ants and Jinns) does not make it so….

Who knows exactly how many muslims support ISIS, and their particular brand of Islam? To show support for a proscribed group will get you arrested and jailed…

Not to worry, a July 2015 article had them at a mere 42 MILLION, with numbers likely to grow.

http://www.express.c
o.uk/news/world/5879
51/Islamic-State-ISI
S-Muslims-jihad-Iraq
-Syria-Clarion-Proje
ct-terrorism

25% have some sympathy with the shooters of the Charlie Hebdo massacre/

People slaughtered over cartoons….

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom
e-news/one-in-four-b
ritish-muslims-have-
some-sympathy-for-mo
tives-behind-charlie
-hebdo-attacks-10068
440.html

How many have sympathy, or actively support those who acted in Paris on Friday 13th?

What if many of those who support the Friday 13th shooters, or the Charlie Hebdo shooters were grouped together in towns and cities across the globe such as Molenbeek…

Ah well, nothing to see here, move along, etc, etc…Oh wait…

http://www.express.c
o.uk/news/uk/606092/
Islamist-Extremist-I
slamic-State-ISIS-MI
5-Britain-Andrew-Par
ker-Security-David-C
ameron

Remember, this has nothing to do with Islam, Islam is a religion of peace, the apologists and those on the left will say, “Terrorism has no religion”.

However, as the saying currently doing the rounds goes…

“Terrorism may not have a religion, but terrorists certainly have one, and that religion is typically Islam.”

I smell Taqiyya…..

Last edited: 10:06pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Score: 0

salmaan100 paul.taylor742 10:38pm Wed 18 Nov 15

paul.taylor742 wrote…

I believe the figure I quoted was 15%-25%..of 1.5 billion muslims.you have picked the 25% figure, then stated 1.6 billion, who is being selective now…?

Just because a large number of people choose to believe in a man made fairy story, (Talking Ants and Jinns) does not make it so….

Who knows exactly how many muslims support ISIS, and their particular brand of Islam? To show support for a proscribed group will get you arrested and jailed…

Not to worry, a July 2015 article had them at a mere 42 MILLION, with numbers likely to grow.

http://www.express.c

o.uk/news/world/5879

51/Islamic-State-ISI

S-Muslims-jihad-Iraq

-Syria-Clarion-Proje

ct-terrorism

25% have some sympathy with the shooters of the Charlie Hebdo massacre/

People slaughtered over cartoons….

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom

e-news/one-in-four-b

ritish-muslims-have-

some-sympathy-for-mo

tives-behind-charlie

-hebdo-attacks-10068

440.html

How many have sympathy, or actively support those who acted in Paris on Friday 13th?

What if many of those who support the Friday 13th shooters, or the Charlie Hebdo shooters were grouped together in towns and cities across the globe such as Molenbeek…

Ah well, nothing to see here, move along, etc, etc…Oh wait…

http://www.express.c

o.uk/news/uk/606092/

Islamist-Extremist-I

slamic-State-ISIS-MI

5-Britain-Andrew-Par

ker-Security-David-C

ameron

Remember, this has nothing to do with Islam, Islam is a religion of peace, the apologists and those on the left will say, “Terrorism has no religion”.

However, as the saying currently doing the rounds goes…

“Terrorism may not have a religion, but terrorists certainly have one, and that religion is typically Islam.”

I smell Taqiyya…..

Oh dear Paul…let me expose you once again, honestly why do you insist on making me do this old chap I really don’t enjoy it!

Let’s take the lesser version of your immensely accurate 15-25% figure seeing as I hit a nerve last time and upset you by using 25.

15% of 1.5bn Muslims.

That equates to 225m.

So before you carry on fuelling your propaganda, be a man – let’s get an apology and admit you pulled that figure from where the sun doesn’t shine to to support your, at this point, failing and slowly crumbling argument.

Unless you genuinely believe 225 million Muslims support ISIS, in which case I recommend a smashing list of GP’s for you to have a check up.

Forgetting that, if you genuinely believe 42 million Muslims support ISIS, then you probably need a psychiatric assessment anyway. If any of those absurd figures were true, there would be so many copycat attacks daily on major cities that me and you wouldn’t be having this conversation right now and would be residing in a bomb shelter. You have brain cells, please don’t allow tabloid journalism to prevent you using them:)

The irony is that you claim ISIS has the support of a huge number of Muslims, on an article where an imam is slamming and condemning their practices…awkward.
..

You can choose to bury your head in the sand, put your fingers in your ears and scream lalalala to ignore the #NotInMyName hashtags, millions upon millions of condemnations from Muslims who totally condemn what ISIS are doing, but you won’t do that because that will defeat your argument which is now on the ropes, won’t it Paul?

Or you could broaden your horizons, educate yourself, even pop down to the WFIA Open Day Irfan spoke about and speak to some mosque-goers over a cuppa to clear up your misconceptions. Ask them questions, have an insightful conversation, and discover that, they’re not too different to you and me? Regular men and women who just want to live normal lives.

Argue all you want Paul, post as many inflammatory links from red top papers claiming Muslamics want to turn Big Ben into a mosque, but the fact of the matter the majority of the people reading this can see through your prejudiced agenda for the codswallop it is.

Good day, and I hope you find a more purposeful meaning to life after this thorough lesson 🙂

Score: 1

paul.taylor742 salmaan100 11:24pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Ok, you got me..

No one supports ISIS, no one is financing ISIS, they mean the west and western Infidels no harm, there is no caliphate, and Islamic expansion is not on the cards, ISIS practice peace and love to all and do not quote Islamic texts to justify their actions.

If I were able to sit down with the now deseased Mohammed Emwazi, he would mean me no harm, and offer me tea and cake, and explain that he misunderstood the big book of death, talking ants, jinns and taqiyya and he was sorry…

In fact ISIS and their supporters, do not exist, anywhere, ever, and Islam is a Religion of Peace..

The 290million+ victims of Islamoloons are all fictional, world leaders are not concerned about the spread and support for ISIS, or any muslim communities living within their western countries and the raids currently being carried out by the security services across world are a figment of my imagination.

Buildings bombed, planes dropping out of the sky, or flying into tall buildings, bus bombings, tube bombings, innocents massacred, gays thrown from buildings, women and apostates stoned, lands conquered, women and children sold as spoils of war, and all in the name of some fictional man made fairy story…

It’s all ok, I saw my doctor. Dr Khan convinced me Islam is a religion of peace, he even told me “Jihadi John”, was some figment of my imagination, that the western propaganda on the tv and radio is all a misrepresentation of Islam and to take the nice pills he prescribed….

I am going to lie down in a darkened room, and when / if I wake up, all this will have been a dream….I apologise unreservedly for living in some alternative universe, and will hopefully get better soon….

(Extreme Sarcasm)

Score: 1

OutAtTheRaces salmaan100 11:29pm Wed 18 Nov 15

salmaan100 wrote…

paul.taylor742 wrote…

I believe the figure I quoted was 15%-25%..of 1.5 billion muslims.you have picked the 25% figure, then stated 1.6 billion, who is being selective now…?

Just because a large number of people choose to believe in a man made fairy story, (Talking Ants and Jinns) does not make it so….

Who knows exactly how many muslims support ISIS, and their particular brand of Islam? To show support for a proscribed group will get you arrested and jailed…

Not to worry, a July 2015 article had them at a mere 42 MILLION, with numbers likely to grow.

http://www.express.c

o.uk/news/world/5879

51/Islamic-State-ISI

S-Muslims-jihad-Iraq

-Syria-Clarion-Proje

ct-terrorism

25% have some sympathy with the shooters of the Charlie Hebdo massacre/

People slaughtered over cartoons….

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom

e-news/one-in-four-b

ritish-muslims-have-

some-sympathy-for-mo

tives-behind-charlie

-hebdo-attacks-10068

440.html

How many have sympathy, or actively support those who acted in Paris on Friday 13th?

What if many of those who support the Friday 13th shooters, or the Charlie Hebdo shooters were grouped together in towns and cities across the globe such as Molenbeek…

Ah well, nothing to see here, move along, etc, etc…Oh wait…

http://www.express.c

o.uk/news/uk/606092/

Islamist-Extremist-I

slamic-State-ISIS-MI

5-Britain-Andrew-Par

ker-Security-David-C

ameron

Remember, this has nothing to do with Islam, Islam is a religion of peace, the apologists and those on the left will say, “Terrorism has no religion”.

However, as the saying currently doing the rounds goes…

“Terrorism may not have a religion, but terrorists certainly have one, and that religion is typically Islam.”

I smell Taqiyya…..

Oh dear Paul…let me expose you once again, honestly why do you insist on making me do this old chap I really don’t enjoy it!

Let’s take the lesser version of your immensely accurate 15-25% figure seeing as I hit a nerve last time and upset you by using 25.

15% of 1.5bn Muslims.

That equates to 225m.

So before you carry on fuelling your propaganda, be a man – let’s get an apology and admit you pulled that figure from where the sun doesn’t shine to to support your, at this point, failing and slowly crumbling argument.

Unless you genuinely believe 225 million Muslims support ISIS, in which case I recommend a smashing list of GP’s for you to have a check up.

Forgetting that, if you genuinely believe 42 million Muslims support ISIS, then you probably need a psychiatric assessment anyway. If any of those absurd figures were true, there would be so many copycat attacks daily on major cities that me and you wouldn’t be having this conversation right now and would be residing in a bomb shelter. You have brain cells, please don’t allow tabloid journalism to prevent you using them
🙂

The irony is that you claim ISIS has the support of a huge number of Muslims, on an article where an imam is slamming and condemning their practices…awkward.

..

You can choose to bury your head in the sand, put your fingers in your ears and scream lalalala to ignore the #NotInMyName hashtags, millions upon millions of condemnations from Muslims who totally condemn what ISIS are doing, but you won’t do that because that will defeat your argument which is now on the ropes, won’t it Paul?

Or you could broaden your horizons, educate yourself, even pop down to the WFIA Open Day Irfan spoke about and speak to some mosque-goers over a cuppa to clear up your misconceptions. Ask them questions, have an insightful conversation, and discover that, they’re not too different to you and me? Regular men and women who just want to live normal lives.

Argue all you want Paul, post as many inflammatory links from red top papers claiming Muslamics want to turn Big Ben into a mosque, but the fact of the matter the majority of the people reading this can see through your prejudiced agenda for the codswallop it is.

Good day, and I hope you find a more purposeful meaning to life after this thorough lesson 🙂

well said sir

Score: 0

paul.taylor742 OutAtTheRaces 11:42pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Ok, you got me..

No one supports ISIS, no one is financing ISIS, they mean the west and western Infidels no harm, there is no caliphate, and Islamic expansion is not on the cards, ISIS practice peace and love to all and do not quote Islamic texts to justify their actions.

If I were able to sit down with the now deseased Mohammed Emwazi, he would mean me no harm, and offer me tea and cake, and explain that he misunderstood the big book of death, talking ants, jinns and taqiyya and he was sorry…

In fact ISIS and their supporters, do not exist, anywhere, ever, and Islam is a Religion of Peace..

The 290million+ victims of Islamoloons are all fictional, world leaders are not concerned about the spread and support for ISIS, or any muslim communities living within their western countries and the raids currently being carried out by the security services across world are a figment of my imagination.

Buildings bombed, planes dropping out of the sky, or flying into tall buildings, bus bombings, tube bombings, innocents massacred, gays thrown from buildings, women and apostates stoned, lands conquered, women and children sold as spoils of war, and all in the name of some fictional man made fairy story…

It’s all ok, I saw my doctor. Dr Khan convinced me Islam is a religion of peace, he even told me “Jihadi John”, was some figment of my imagination, that the western propaganda on the tv and radio is all a misrepresentation of Islam and to take the nice pills he prescribed….

I am going to lie down in a darkened room, and when / if I wake up, all this will have been a dream….I apologise unreservedly for living in some alternative universe, and will hopefully get better soon….

(Extreme Sarcasm)

Score: 1

Pcgawnmad tjm01 11:41am Wed 18 Nov 15

Words of a Tool again.

Score: 0

tjm01 Pcgawnmad 1:25pm Wed 18 Nov 15

Your comments clearly illustrate the depth of your ignorance and total inability to be able to process other peoples opinions, you hide behind a number of log ins, you even use those log ins to argue with yourself, you take every opportunity to ridicule yourself with your childish posts, you openly lie, and you insult those who dare to challenge you, if stupidity was an Olympic event you would be worth your weight in gold now go away you ridiculously sad pathetic individual

Score: 2

Pcgawnmad tjm01 2:58pm Wed 18 Nov 15

You are obviously talking about yourself again Betty?

Score: 0

tjm01 Pcgawnmad 7:26pm Wed 18 Nov 15

I rest my case

Score: 1

NTiratsoo 5:07pm Fri 20 Nov 15

An interesting letter in the Times from Ziauddin Sardar:

Sir, I agree with Usama Hasan’s sentiments (“Give us time: this is Islam’s reformation”, Comment, Nov 18). Islam needs to change; and a handful of reform-minded Muslims are working towards change. But I am not sure Islam needs a reformation. Indeed, we have already had our reformation, and the subsequent 30 years’ war, way back in the 9th century. This was when the Sharia, as it exists today, was canonised. Flogging and beheading, maltreatment of women and minorities, and other obnoxious practices were turned into dogma. And the classical theologians who framed this orthodoxy were transformed into demi-gods and their opinions became sacrosanct. The upheaval we see in the Muslim world today is a product of that reformation.

Nor do we have the luxury of time. Islamic reformation, like the Christian reformation, says Hasan, needs centuries to accomplish. I fear that not much of Islam will be left, in the next few decades, if the Wahhabis, Salafis and the death cults continue on their present course.

What we need to do is evident. We need to reformulate the Sharia according to its original objectives of justice, egalitarianism, human rights and freedom. This can be done reasonably quickly — as we saw in Morocco, where the personal aspects of the Sharia, the “New Mudawwanah” code, was updated within a decade. We need to ditch dangerously obsolete and manufactured dogmas about gender relations, “Islamic state”, apostasy, and other similar issues. We should bring back the rationalist school of Islamic theology, which has been suppressed by the traditionalists for centuries. The real hurdle is traditionalist Islam, represented today largely by Saudi Arabia and its supporters, East and West. Let’s begin by declaring Islamic orthodoxy null and void; and Saudi Arabia a deathly gruesome rogue state.

Score: 0

paul.taylor742 9:23am Sat 21 Nov 15

For centuries, Islam and Christianity were locked in a brutal conflict most have forgotten..

The House of Islam versus a Christian House of War…

Muslims began to conceive of the world as divided between the House of Islam and a Christian ‘House of War’, sinister in its disbelief, obdurate in its defiance of the message of the Holy Koran. Sayings became attributed to Muhammad which cast warfare in the cause of the Muslim God as a duty of the Faithful, such as: ‘I was ordered to fight all men until they say, ‘There is no god but Allah.’ ‘

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
3328005/Shadow-blood
y-past-centuries-Isl
am-Christianity-lock
ed-brutal-conflict-f
orgotten-horror-hist
orian-argues-jihadis
-s-real-today-Middle
-Ages.html

The war and take over of infidel lands continues to this day, with deception Kitman / Taqiyya being used to build more mosques, community centres, and cemetaries with prayer facilities with the AK47 assault rifle now subtituting the sword.

It would appear, those on the left, Islamic appeasers, and our current crop of “leaders” are in need of the history lesson….

Last edited: 9:24am Sat 21 Nov 15

Score: 0

Pcgawnmad 7:32pm Sat 21 Nov 15

Excellent article, more interesting is that in Italy, real Muslims are seriously protesting a ‘not in my name’ demo as it is hitting where it hurts most for Muslims there, their pockets! We should ask uk Muslims to protest the same or boycott Muslim shops and vote with ones feet

Score: 5

tjw422 1:01pm Thu 26 Nov 15

With many of my lovely local multi-cultural, and muslim, neighbours with children who are respectful and can be communicated with, this can be considered a very open and positive thing to offer. BUT, I would like to know if my wife can attend and walk through the same door as myself into this mosque as an equal, as we do in our Christian religion. Can THIS mosque also offer that equality on this occasion?

Score: 6

USA001 1:21pm Thu 26 Nov 15

The mosque is open to all and entrance from the front door is for male and females

Men and women can access all areas

Score: 9

kevster100 4:03pm Thu 26 Nov 15

No thanks – brainwashing is not my thing

Score: 4

Karlee kevster100 5:04pm Thu 26 Nov 15

If you think by setting foot inside a mosque you’ll immediately be brainwashed (assuming they can find it) then you’re exactly the sort of misinformed idiot who needs to visit.

Score: 4

kevster100 Karlee 6:05pm Thu 26 Nov 15

Who said immediately brainwashed ? these mosques are a slow breeding ground to brainwash young vulnerable young men and women to blow themselves up in public places. You never hear about the elders doing this.

So no thanks

Score: 6

esterhazyuk Karlee 12:25pm Sat 28 Nov 15

Who’s the real idiot here? What he’s saying is that this is a publicity stunt and he’s right. The evidence is all around us.

Score: 1

StowLocal 5:49pm Thu 26 Nov 15

That’s good of them to offer this, and is a positive reaction to the drama this week surrounding the centre on Orford Road.

Score: 4

esterhazyuk StowLocal 12:27pm Sat 28 Nov 15

Taqiyya!

Score: 0

paul.taylor742 6:05pm Thu 26 Nov 15

A MOSQUE is set to throw its doors open to the community to show its neighbours the ‘true Islam’…..

Anyone who has taken the time to study the “Big Book of Death” (Koran) will know that Islam is spread at the point of the sword, rape pillage and murder, is practising Islam just like Muhammad did, as is currently carried out by Al Shabab, Boko Haram, ISIS, Hamas, Hizb ut-Tahrir & Muslim Brotherhood to name but a few…

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Islamic_te
rrorism#Examples_of_
organizations_and_ac
ts

Muhammad, the 52yr old warlord, who married his favourite child bride, Aisha aged 6, with the marriage consummated at 9yrs old… Exiled after insulting the pagan gods, came back for revenge, murdered, raped and pillaged all across Arabia…”all war is deceit”…yes, that Muhammad..

“Islam was never a religion of peace, Islam is the religion of fighting…It is the war of Muslims against infidels”…..ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi 14th May 2015

To infidels, (People of the book, Jews & Christians) the only option according to Islamic nutters such as Abu Bakr, Abu Hamza, Anjem Choudary, and no doubt those ISIS fighters mingling with the current crop of “refugees” (economic migrants) is to convert, (To Islam) or pay the Jizya (Unbeliever Tax) or Die..(In the most appalling way possible, usually beheading, but can be thrown from a tall building, drowned, machine gunned, stoned to death or dragged behind a pick up truck)

Koran 8:12……I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Islam is an all conquering 7th century death cult, who’s followers throughout history have killed upwards of 290 million “infidels” (Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Hindus and any other non believers, including the wrong flavour of Muslim) why our current “leaders” refuse to acknowledge any of this is a mystery….

Not to worry, millions more are now welcome thanks to Ms Merkel and our EU “partners”, and so Islam marches on……

For anyone who wishes to take an interest in what has been allowed to happen to the UK with our home grown Muslim rapists and how the Labour party and the Authorities, including the Christian Church and other religious “leaders” have tried to turn a blind eye to those believing in a 7th century rape and death cult, they may wish to read

Easy Meat, Multiculturalism, Islam and Child Sex Slavery

http://www.scribd.co
m/doc/211485752/Easy
-Meat-Multiculturali
sm-Islam-and-Child-S
ex-Slavery

2014 Peter McLoughlin

2008 Video, “My Dangerous Lover Boy”…Never shown to the target audience…

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=Kjwvo8Hl
qyM

To appease their guilt, those on the left will say UK paedophiles are mainly white, whilst ignoring the fact that paedophilia in white western cultures, due to the condemnation that it so rightly deserves, is mainly carried out in secret.

What has historically happened within the UK amongst the paedophile male Muslim community, is that such acts appear to have been treated as a national sport, with young vulnerable, mainly white female victims, in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Wales and elsewhere having been passed around amongst male paedophile Muslim family, friends and abused on an industrial scale.

Such incidents are not just limited to female girls, teenagers, women.

http://www.ibtimes.c
o.uk/libyan-soldiers
-jailed-12-years-aft
er-raping-man-cambri
dge-1501554

As the traumatised male victim stated…

“I cannot believe what I’m saying, they raped me. It was horrible, I feel horrible. Don’t say anything to my mum.”

He continued: “They were horrendous, they weren’t human. They weren’t human people. They were horrendous people, they were sick people. They don’t deserve to live, they shouldn’t be alive.”

The finger should be pointed squarely at the government for allowing this to happen…

As the old Afghan saying goes…”Women are for children, boys are for fun”…..

http://www.sfgate.co
m/opinion/brinkley/a
rticle/Afghanistan-s
-dirty-little-secret
-3176762.php

Maybe our current crop of “leaders” are in need of a brief history lesson….

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
3328005/Shadow-blood
y-past-centuries-Isl
am-Christianity-lock
ed-brutal-conflict-f
orgotten-horror-hist
orian-argues-jihadis
-s-real-today-Middle
-Ages.html

Given the proven history of the “Religion of Peace”, no amount of Kitman & Taqiyya will persuade me otherwise, so think I will pass on the open day, as I have a pressing engagement with my local Church*

(Pub*)

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kevster100 paul.taylor742 6:06pm Thu 26 Nov 15

Good and honest post

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esterhazyuk paul.taylor742 12:28pm Sat 28 Nov 15

Excellent post! A blow in the counter jihad.

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parkingtrouble 8:46pm Thu 26 Nov 15

Good that this (segregated) mosque is opening their doors. No doubt everyone will be in their best behaviour.

Would that be true Shia or Sunni flavour of Islam though?

Sunni with a Deobandi theme apparently. Interested to know their view on Sufism.

Also is this mosque affiliated to WFIA or WFCOM?
Not clear who really speaks for the true Islam around here.

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m_hussain 12:39am Fri 27 Nov 15

Paul Taylor you moron..

The only people who think Islam is a religion of war are imbeciles such as yourself and groups such as ISIS. You both have a distorted view of the religion and are indeed two cheeks of the same backside. Luckily in this society of ours we have law and order other wise extremists such as you would happily ape the actions of your ideological brethren, ISIS and al Qaeda..

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Techno3 m_hussain 4:41am Fri 27 Nov 15

If Islam is not a religion of war, that will come as a great surprise to anyone who has a copy of the Koran available for them to read, as the book makes numerous references to how Muslims are to participate in bloodthirsty activities to spread it.

Will you please therefore list here all the parts of the Koran which are incorrect?

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Pcgawnmad m_hussain 8:55am Fri 27 Nov 15

We are still waiting for your reply to Techno’s question please.

What parts of the Quoran are incorrect please?

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paul.taylor742 1:25am Fri 27 Nov 15

m_hussain

I appear to have hit a nerve, which appears to have provoked your comment.

It would appear you wish to attempt to defend the position of an ideology that is not compatible, and indeed wishes to supplant western culture with Islam, despite my references, that non believers should not be killed, those who do not submit to sharia should not be killed, raping and killing of infidels should not be permitted in a civilised society.

I have cited more than just ISIS, who are currently a scourge upon the world.

“Al Shabab, Boko Haram, ISIS, Hamas, Hizb ut-Tahrir & Muslim Brotherhood”

No doubt, these groups have also misinterpreted the Quran.

Yet you choose to insult those who disagree with you….

Bridges will not be built, dialogue will not be had, until the believers in the Islamic faith, renounce the violent passages within the Quran, and state, that armed Jihad is not part of the Muslim faith.

You and I know this will never happen, as according to Muslims, the Quran is the divine word of god (allah), and Infidels are to be converted, or pay the Jiyza, or die….

Please quit with the insults and Taqiyya, the world has moved on since the the ramblings of a 7th century, illiterate, bedouin, paedophile priest….

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Stevo98 paul.taylor742 9:03am Fri 27 Nov 15

I notice Paul Taylor has NEVER condemned the bloodthirsty and threatening verses in the Old Testament. His hypocrisy is sickening.

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parkingtrouble Stevo98 9:09am Fri 27 Nov 15

Extremist Christians and Jews are not using that fairy tale as justification to blow us up whilst going about our daily business and leisure pursuits.

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Stevo98 parkingtrouble 11:45am Fri 27 Nov 15

Yes, because Israel never uses bombs, you staggering halfwit.

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parkingtrouble Stevo98 3:10pm Fri 27 Nov 15

Perhaps you can remind me the last time the Israelis used indiscriminate terror tactics in Europe or the UK?

Plus, I think you’ll find they use robust defensive and counter-terrorist measures without quoting justification from their holy book.

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Stevo98 parkingtrouble 4:37pm Fri 27 Nov 15

Israel isn’t fighting the UK, you brain dead nincompoop.

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parkingtrouble Stevo98 7:06pm Fri 27 Nov 15

Let me take you back to where this started.

“I notice Paul Taylor has NEVER condemned the bloodthirsty and threatening verses in the Old Testament. His hypocrisy is sickening.”

He doesn’t need to because no one else uses the Old Testament fairy stories to justify their need to slay the unbelievers in the same way the Islamic fundamentalists do.

I hope that clarifies things for you. If not, I’m happy to help you with further guidance.

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Stevo98 parkingtrouble 8:32pm Fri 27 Nov 15

Yeah, cos Israel never uses violence, you mouth-breathing goat felcher.

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esterhazyuk Stevo98 12:30pm Sat 28 Nov 15

I think you are the ‘halfwit’. Israel responds to provocation and many Arabs live there out of choice. Now why is that? Fools always resort to insults like ‘halfwit’ as they lack the mental capacity for reasoned argument.

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[deleted] Stevo98 9:09am Fri 27 Nov 15

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myopinioncounts 11:11am Sun 29 Nov 15

When our school was shut for EId it almost never coincided with the actual end of Ramadam. Both muslim pupils and staff would be celebrating Eid, not only on a different day to the one put on the school calendar by the Education Authority but the actual day depended on which mosque they attended. We were told they had to wait until their respective mosques announced that the moon had been sighted so Ramadam was over and EId celebrations would begin immediately . This meant that absences by staff were not predictable and Heads could not organise supply cover in advance. As as the phases of the moon are predicable years ahead I could not understand why a fixed day for Eid could not be put on the calendar and why mosques in the same borough announced the sighting of the new moon on different days! Now I understand the conflicts between Sunni & Shia muslims I realise why even agreeing on the day to celebrate EId was beyond them.