All my life I’ve been somewhat of a fan of well thought out and sincere interfaith work. I have seen the results of this work in action in various individuals who understand the beliefs of others and have their own beliefs understood by those who may not believe the same things. Groups like the British Council of Christians and Jews for example, have done great work, sometimes painful, soul-searching and disturbing work, in bringing peace and understanding between two religious groups whose previous relationship was not good.
I support the idea of interfaith but only where each participant is willing and able to be honest about both their belief system and those of their interlocutor from a different faith. I think honesty and a genuine desire to understand those outside your belief system is absolutely vital for successful and lasting interfaith work. It is this recognition of of the need for honesty and good faith between all participants in interfaith activities that drives my refusal to take part in any interfaith activity that involves Islam. I’m more than willing to engage with interfaith activities with Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and those of various other beliefs or those of no belief at all. But I will not engage with Islam or Muslims in an interfaith setting.
This is because I don’t believe that many Islamic clerics or other community figures who take part in interfaith work are either honest or have a genuine desire to get along with those of other belief systems. Although there may be some Islamic clerics who are willing to be honest about Islam and open about the religious nature of the conflict that Islam brings to non Muslim societies, these open minded and honest individuals seem very few and far between.
Too often have I heard Islamic figures involved in interfaith work dish out deracinated and downright false descriptions of both Islam and Islamic history. I’ve seen Islamic clerics gloss over nearly all of Islam’s undoubted and well known problems, promoted the ‘religion of peace’ lie and even sidestep over Islam’s bloody history of interactions with members of other faiths. I have even encountered a known Islamic extremist who managed to hoodwink a left wing Rabbi into treating him as a friend.
Although not every Muslim is an outright liar, I’ve met many individuals who acknowledge that Islam has problems, too many of those who involve themselves in interfaith work are indeed outright liars. Unfortunately these lies are all too readily gobbled up and treated as 100% truth by the middle class leftists, socialist Christians and Jews along with the terminally naive Quakers who seem to make up the majority of those non Muslims involved in today’s interfaith work. These Islamic apologists are often Janus-faced and speak words of peace to non-Muslims and push the false idea that the morality of the Ishmaelites is the same as that of Christianity and Judaism. Unfortunately there are a number of examples of seemingly ‘moderate’ Islamic interfaith activists who say one thing to a non Muslim audience and something quite different to a Muslim audience.
A good example of the two faced Muslim ‘interfaith activist’ has recently been published on the website of a US organisation called The Investigative Project on Terrorism (TIPT) They have been looking into the case of one Muhammed Shahidullah of New York. This cleric seems to lead a spectacular and worrying double life with one friendly smiling face turned towards the New York Police Department which he advises and to White House staff when he attended a interfaith event in 2017. His other face, which I would call his true face, is mired in all sorts of jihad promotion. TIPT examined Shahidullah’s background and found that he runs or is connected with Islam promotion outfits that actively extol the virtues of violent jihad.
This man, who could more than accurately be described as a ‘taqiyya artist’ is little more than an outright liar for Islam. He has been giving various individuals and entities in the USA a torrent of unadulterated bullshit about how Islam is peaceful and compatible with US culture, whilst allowing links to speeches by terrorists banned from the USA on his site.
The list of jihad promoters that Shahidullah and his organisations seem to be aligned to read like a veritable ‘Who’s who’ of Islamic nasties such as Bilal Phillips, Zakir Naik and Anwar al Awlaki. Whatever else Shahidullah may be he is obviously not the peaceful Muslims that the interfaithers were looking for. Unfortunately I suspect that knowledge of this man’s close association with Islamic extremism and his proselytising for this type of Islam will be ignored by the interfaith establishment. This interfaith establishment has a long and ignominious record of naively hoping that association with Islamic extremists will somehow make those who preach jihad non-extreme peaceful and willing to live in harmony with other groups. I’m afraid that this is not going to happen no matter how much either the secular or religious interfaith activists may want it to occur.
Unfortunately, Shahidullah is not the only two faced Islamic ‘interfaith’ activist of his sort out there. I’ve seen them in all sorts of interfaith settings giving us the ‘religion of peace’ guff and dispensing soothing snake oil for the gullible. They are not just doing this in the USA but across the Western World. If you the reader of this piece are involved in interfaith then you are part of this problem if you are not asking your Muslim interlocutors the hard questions about Islam or closely and critically examining their answers. Although whether these Islamic activists will ever tell the whole truth about Islam is highly debatable.
Someone, I forget whom, once said that it is impossible to make peace with those who actively desire your murder and that is a statement that I find myself wholly in agreement with. The ideology of Islam and far too many of its followers desire my death and the death of my family and others close to me. Therefore I am justifiably wary of Islamic clerics and other activists who are involved in interfaith. These activists are not in my opinion genuinely seeking cooperation and to walk the Derech haShalom – the path of peace – but are merely engaged in a dishonest performance where they pretend both they and their cult are peaceful in order to deceive the unwary and the naive. As I said earlier I fully support sensible and genuine and honest interfaith work between every faith other than Islam and I have come to that point of view because on far too many occasions have I seen Muslims involved in interfaith utter complete falsehoods about Islam when they should have been honest.
The Church of England in my home city are now engaging with muslims in interfaith activities.At least one of whom is an activist for MEND(Muslim Engagement and Development)This includes allowing muslims to speak from the pulpit in the cathedral.When I spoke to someone from the cathedral and gave him some facts about islam he was in denial to whatever I said and in the end got quite angry!
The Church of England in my home city are now engaging with muslims in interfaith activities.At least one of whom is an activist for MEND(Muslim Engagement and Development)This includes allowing muslims to speak from the pulpit in the cathedral.When I spoke to someone from the cathedral and gave him some facts about islam he was in denial to whatever I said and in the end got quite angry!
Your experience with the Anglicans mirrors mine as a non Orthodox Jew. I recall how a visiting Rabbi waxed lyrical after a service about how having a lot of Muslim children at her local Jewish school enriched both the school and her children’s life. I told him that it would not be my choice to send my child to a school that had so many followers of an Islamic faith whose scripture repeatedly calls for the death of my child. Like your experience with the Cathedral, all I got back from this Rabbi was denial that there is any extremism problem in Islam.
I must admit that it is a gross degree of naivety or stupidity to allow someone from a group like MEND to be allowed to dish out their propaganda from the pulpit. The attitude of denial is one that I find far too often in those who operate in the wilder and more ideologically driven parts of the interfaith world.
Zirksty, from what I can see of the Protestant churches in most of this country (I believe the Ulster Protestant churches have not yet lost their balls), they’re completely cucked—CofE, CofS, they’re little more than the Church of the SJW; Thomas Cranmer and John Knox would weep at what their churches have reduced themselves to. Perhaps the only Christian path forward is to choose between Rome and Moscow, Catholic or Orthodox.
There are Orthodox churches in Britain but few and far between, so for many, realistically one is left with Catholicism—which comes with its own issues, not least the history that led to Martin Luther nailing his 95 Theses to the Castle Church door in the first place. But however much of an embarrassment Pope Francis is, he’s still less appalling than the SJW Prods-in-name-only.
The contrast could not be plainer when it comes to LGBT matters:
• Gay people should not join Catholic clergy, Pope Francis says, Guardian, 2 Dec 2018.
• Church of England admits it has already ordained two gay bishops, Times, 22 Jun 2003.
• Church of Scotland votes to allow ministers to be in same-sex marriages, Guardian, 21 May 2016.
• Transgender people encouraged to become priests in Church of England diversity drive, Telegraph, 26 May 2018.
Likewise, while Pope Francis refuses unequivocally to countenance ordaining women (Pope Francis confirms finality of ban on ordaining women priests, National Catholic Reporter, 1 Nov 2016), the CofS ordained its first woman in 1972 and the CofE in 1994 (doing 32 at once to catch up).
On abortion, while both the CofE & S officially oppose it, you’ll be hard pressed to find serious opposition from those bodies (e.g. Abortion is a no-go area for Church of England’s flagship conservative evangelical church, Anglican Ink, 11 Jan 2019). Again Pope Francis is unequivocal: Pope Francis Says Abortion, Even of a Sick Fetus, Is Like Hiring a ‘Hitman’, New York Times, 25 May 2019.
Meanwhile, looking around internationally, most of what opposition there is to SJWism, comes mainly from Catholic or Orthodox circles and countries. On that note, it is interesting that the pseudonymous ‘Mencius Moldbug’, father of NRx, often wrote that liberalism/leftism/progressivism/etc. (pick your preferred term) is essentially a degraded form or corrupted child of Protestantism, especially of the Puritan strain. (Btw mine host, ‘Mencius’, Jewish himself, described ‘Reform Judaism [as] being essentially a Jewish version of Protestantism’ (‘How Dawkins Got Pwned’, ch.2, Unqualified Reservations, 4 Oct 2007).)
So, perhaps the only Christian answer is to return to the Roman fold and add your voice to the traditionalist movements within the Catholic church.