Like Mr Hardeep Singh, the author of an article on Islamic Rape Gangs for Spiked Magazine who I’ve quoted below, I abhor the use of the word ‘Asian’ to describe the perpetrators of on street grooming gang crimes, the victims of which now number in at least the tens of thousands and could, according to one researcher’s estimates, possibly be as high as 500,000. I abhor the use of the word ‘Asian’ to describe these rapist nonce criminals because it implies that all Britons of Asian heritage are involved in some way with these terrible crimes when the reality is that the vast majority of these ‘Asian’ rape gangs are Pakistani Muslims.
The use of the word ‘Asian’ in connection with these gangs is dishonest in the extreme. It obfuscates rather than illustrates which may well be the intention of its use. It is quite obvious now that Britain has a problem with sex crimes of certain types being disproportionally committed by a subset of Britain’s Islamic community. We can see that from the various crime reports in the Press. These crimes are not being committed in large numbers by the Ismaili Muslim followers of the Aga Khan a sect within Islam that fully embraces sex equality and nor are they committed, as far as I can tell specifically by the Ahmediyya.
These crimes are being committed by Pakistani Muslims who are most likely to follow the Sunni Islam path as Pakistan is majority (82%) Sunni. These crimes are also not being committed to any appreciable degree, based on reports of the various rape gang trials that have occurred, by Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Roman Catholics, Cochin Jews, the followers of Shinto or any other group that can reasonably be described as ‘Asian’. This is a Pakistani Muslim problem and the use of the word Asian in connection to these crimes is a despicable slur on those British subjects of Asian heritage who are not Pakistani Muslims.
Hardeep Singh said:
The use of ‘Asian’ to describe members of grooming gangs obscures the very specific ethnic dynamics at play in this form of abuse. While grooming-gang victims have tended to be white British girls, the gangs have also sometimes targeted Sikh girls, as they did in Leicester. What’s more, some of the white victims of grooming gangs have told me themselves that the sexual abuse had a racial and religious element. The perpetrators would refer to them as ‘white slags’ and claim that ‘white girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because [they] dress like slags’.
Characterising these wicked men only as ‘Asian’ obscures one of the motives for their actions – that, as far as they were concerned, those they were abusing were non-Muslim and therefore fairgame.
Spot on Mr Singh. He’s correct. There is a cultural-religious aspect to these monstrous crimes and it is one that we should be able to talk about without smearing other members of identifiably ‘Asian’ groups. This problem of rape gangs coming from within Islamic communities in the UK is identifiably one where Pakistani Muslims are disproportionally represented. Although some gangs have also been made up of majority Somalis as was the case with a gang of rapists operating in Bristol a while back, the bulk of the convictions so far have been overwhelmingly Muslims of Pakistani heritage.
We as a nation will never be able to stop these awful crimes whilst open and honest debate about it is not entirely possible. These rape gang cases appear in the media either because of a specific court case or, as in the case of Telford, a report into what has been going on is published. The problem is that these reports in the media get shuffled away after a few days by media organisations who don’t want to rock the multiculti boat by highlighting in a logical way the scale or extent of the problems of Islamic Rape Gangs. When these stories break the MSM wrings its hands for a few days and then moves onto something else, some other story, maybe one that doesn’t involve asking the awkward but necessary questions about the role that Pakistani and Islamic culture and aspects of Islamic theology play in these terrible and life altering offences.
Personally I find it to be a monstrous dishonesty to use the word ‘Asian’ in connection with these by now obviously Pakistani dominated rape gangs. It’s especially egregious when there are other communities of Asian heritage Britons such as Hindus and Sikhs who have been and continue to be targeted by Pakistani Muslim sex offenders.
Whilst in no way would I wish to imply that all men of Pakistani Islamic heritage are rapists or paedophiles, there is such a disproportionate number of Pakistani Muslim males involved in these sorts of crimes that it becomes a salient matter with regards these crimes. We should be able to debate why so many of these gangs are dominated by Pakistani Muslims in order to be able to stop both these gangs and these crimes. It may well be that by dragging this issue out into the open those in the Pakistani Muslim community who know that this abuse goes on but who stay silent for fear of social ostracism by other Pakistani Muslims, might in future be more ready and willing to speak out.
The current policy of both governments local and national and the MSM to use obfuscating words like ‘Asian’ both prevents the very necessary debate that needs to be had about these gangs and their crimes in order to formulate a national plan to stop them and gives the impression that the State will protect Muslims, even grossly criminal ones, at the expense of all else, including the victims of these gangs. We can’t stop these gangs until everyone, whether that be the general public as well as police forces and the administration of local government admits to exactly what the problem is and also admits that this is not an ‘Asian’ problem, but a specifically and overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim problem.
Does it really matter what race these vile people may come from? They are criminals and that is all that matters, the police have sworn to uphold the law without fear or favor. If the are not prepared to do so then we need new police.
“Does it really matter what race these vile people may come from? They are criminals and that is all that matters…”
Well yes and no.
It’s not the Pakistani part that is important here, it’s the bit that Singh played down a little, by which I mean the Muslim bit.
Now he did say “victims of grooming gangs have told me themselves that the sexual abuse had a racial and religious element”.
The point is that it is the religious element that is most important.
I realise that that is a strong statement to make (and one for which I would automatically be labelled an “islamophobic racist bigot” in many places, but here is the evidence for my assertion.
If you read up on reports into this, you will find that whilst it is true that ~95% of the perpetrators were Pakistani Muslim, most of the other ~5% were also Muslim, usually of North African descent.
Thus it was not the ethnicity of these groups that tied them together so much as their shared religious identity.
The point here is that unless the motivation of these criminals is understood, as Singh puts it “those they were abusing were non-Muslim and therefore fair game” (and to understand *why* non-Muslim girls are “fair game” to a section of Muslims we also have to understand Islam’s inherent attitude, derived from its canon of scripture, to both women and non-Muslims) then we are not going to be able to do anything about it (if we can in any case when faced with those who think that their “outgroup” is utterly worthless and only there for them to use and abuse).
“the police have sworn to uphold the law without fear or favor. If the are not prepared to do so then we need new police.”
Yes, they have and no they don’t.
They most certainly do need to get back to the basics of real policing of real crime. So I agree we need, if not a new police, at least a new (or perhaps I mean old-fashioned Peelian) attitude in the police
Everything you say is true and can’t reasonably be argued with. I still believe that all are equal before God and the law. Race, religion, colour or any other factor should never be considered as mitigation in such vile cases.
Yes but I have to ask if the writer of this blog and followers have any views on whether or not prostitution should be outlawed and banned, and subsequent sentences for anyone who buys the services of a prostitute over 16 and so of legal age. The ‘grooming gang’ issue seems to focus on how girls under 16 were allegedly exploited for financial gain by pimps. Apparently all legal now if the exploited women are over the age of 16?
Could this be a wider issue than conservatives demonising Muslims as the main sexual predators, who may have been setting up a sordid under the counter type of prostitution on the cheap?
I’d welcome any responses from men (mainly) who regard their freedom to pay for sex from prostitutes as a human right and can argue there is no exploitation involved, ever. But only when Muslims are the punters?
If a mature woman without any pressure or inducement from anyone wishes to sell her favours I am not convinced that it is a mater for the law to become involved in. It’s not a very nice trade and it’s not one I would ever become involved in but surly that’s personal choice and freedom. I would suggest it has nothing at all to do with the vile trade this posting is about.
First of all my apologies for not replying earlier. This is the time of the year when I have a lot of calls on my time and will be in a similar situation until early September.
There is an ongoing debate about whether the ‘Scandinavian Policy’ of criminalising customers of both male and female prostitutes really works or whether it just moves prostitution further and further underground and out of reach of services that those working in this industry may require. Personally I don’t think that it’s possible to completely eradicate sex for gain as it takes a multitude of different forms and can include stuff like gay men giving a blow job to a friend of a friend in order to get a job in a popular bar or a woman choosing a rich but unattractive man as a partner in order to obtain financial security. It might be possible to outlaw organised and overt prostitution but incredibly more difficult to do the same for the more informal transactional sex exchanges.
There is a world of difference between someone choosing, with full informed consent and without any external pressures such as coercion, financial desperation or drug addiction, to sell sexual services and people being pressured into such activity. Choosing to do something, even something with a lot of risk attached to it like sex work, is completely different from being forced to do something either by another person or out of desperation due to circumstances. With the Islamic Rape Gangs there is obviously no question that the victims are being coerced, financially manipulated and in some cases deliberately caused to be addicted to drugs to keep the victim ‘onside’ with the gangs. As regards these gangs what is concerning, apart from the fact that police and local and national government have ignored and sometimes facilitated the actions of these gangs, is the coercion, the singling out of those who are very young and the notable racial and religious element in the choice of victims.
Nobody has a right to someone else’s body whether that body of that person be someone who works as a prostitute or is a Lesbian being told by trans activists that they ‘must’ find men in dresses and in possession of cocks sexually attractive. We’ve also had in Britain cases where members of some groups have enslaved others and used them for building and other work, this also is morally and ethically wrong and is something that is deservedly considered as a criminal act.
I’ve known men and women who have voluntarily had sex in exchange for money and influence and the outcome of this activity has been shall we say varied. Some have taken a ‘meh’ attitude to their experience and it hs not overtly done them any psychological damage, but for others it has negatively affected the way that they relate with others or relate to sex. Prostitution is not something that I would encourage as a path for either men or women but it exists and I have come to believe that neither outright prohibition nor the Dutch or German models of openness (which have been exploited by people traffickers) are complete answers in and of themselves. It would be both foolish and dishonest to say that there is no exploitation in this area of life because there is and one question for me is how do you reduce or remove such exploitation?
As regards you comments on age. You seem to be under the impression that anybody over the age of sixteen can work in adult entertainment areas. That is not the case. The minimum age for stuff like topless modelling or adult film work or making the decision to sell sexual services is 18. There can never be a case again for example where a Page Three model such as Joanne Latham is photographed topless at 17 as the law has changed and rightly so in my view.
Whilst I am of the opinion that sexual abuse can happen in all communities and abusers can come from across the spectrum of society there is something notably different about the Islamic Rape Gangs. First of all there is the racial and cultural supremacism that sadly is a part of Islam and which gets translated into the gang members seeing those outside of Islam being Untermenschen. Then there is the targeting of young girls and women on the grounds of their race and religious back ground. We also need to include the highly organised nature and the multigenerational familial nature of these gangs. These are aspects that we do not see that often with other non Islamic sexual abuse groups. As far as I can ascertain from my experience as a court reporter the vast majority of the sex offenders I saw in court were opportunist. The victims of these criminals were victims because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time or because their presence was ‘convenient’ for the abuser or because the victims mother made a poor choice of life partner and shacked up with someone who abused their child or because the abuser chose to work in an area that would give them access to children. With the Islamic Rape Gangs what we see are gangs making the active decision to target particular children and young people not because it is ‘convenient’ for them to do so but very often on the grounds of race or religious background. If there was a situation where gangs of middle aged White men were deliberately going out of their way to organise the abuse of young Black girls and women and primarily this group then there would quite rightly be a lot of fuss made about racist abuse groups targeting this group. The fact is that there is worryingly less outcry from those with authority or influence than there should be about gangs of Muslims targeting non-Muslim victims should be treated as an equally serious racially motivated crime.